Jack Johnson TKO 14 Tommy Burns

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Jack Johnson could have ended this at any moment. His intent was to punish and humiliate Burns.

    Jack London wrote "The fight, there was no fight. No armenian massacre could compare with the hopeless slaughter that took place in the Sydney stadium today. This was a contest between a colossus and a toy automaton, between a playful Ethiopian and a small and futile white man, between a grown man and a naughty child."


    Sometimes Johnson hit burns and physically prevented him from falling, holding him up so that he could continue the punishment.

    Johnson constantly taunted burns with remarks like

    "Poor little Tommy, who told you you were a fighter?"
    "Poor poor Tommy, who taught you to hit? Your mother? You a woman?"
    Referring to Burn's wife "Poor little boy, Jewel won't know you when she gets you back from the fight."
    Calling him "Little boy" throughout and "youse havin fun little Tommy?"
    Johnson repeatedly compared Burns to a woman, emasculating insults that carried as much sting as his blows.
    Burns attempted to respond in kind, spitting out racial invectives with mouthfuls of his own blood. But as the fight wore on, Burns grew quiet, conserving his energy for survival. When the referee stopped the fight, Burns was a battered mess. His eyes were bleeding and swollen, his jaw misshaped, and his mouth bloody inside and out.

    Jack Johnson later wrote he had forgotten more about boxing than Burns ever knew. Woof!

    Writer Jack London witnessed Johnson's superior performance, and he accepted fully that the best man won. But he was haunted by Johnson's behavior in the ring, and the fighter's gold-tooth smile as he physically beat and verbally assaulted Burns. "Jeffries must emerge from his alfalfa farm and remove that smile from Johnson's face. Jeff, it's up to you.

    - Joe Louis, Randy Roberts Chapter 2



    It's a very interesting piece of history. What type of impact do you think this fight had for Black Heavyweights in the future?
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jack Johnson did more harm than good.
     
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  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Yep, it did have a knock on effect for black heavyweight s as we know.
    When Joe Louis was up and coming he acted the total opposite of Jack.

    But how could Jack Johnson have acted any other way.?
    He'd have suffered, probably more than any black man of the Tonto, from racial abuse.
    Of course he'd have being angry and struck back at Burns, taunting him.
    How could have being any other way really?
     
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  4. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    I have seen this fight several times before. Tommy Burns was obviously hopelessly over-matched there. But he was one tough customer for sure. I have to give him some credit for constantly trying to charge up that hill. That was a different style of fighting than we normally see today, and Jack Johnson was a Master at that style.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's his job.
     
  6. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    He was a boxer. That is all.
     
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  7. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was an amazingly courageous man.
    I mean he would have had to walk around knowing that he could have been assassinated at any minute.
    He probably had to deal with racism every day of his life and vicious racism at that yet he was defiant in the face of this.
    I’m not saying he was an angel but he was certainly extraordinary.
     
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  8. Liston73

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    Well of course it started the White Hope crusade to find a vanilla challenger that could defeat Johnson and regain the title for the White race.It directly adversely affected black challengers because the White public had no interest in seeing two Blacks fight for the heavyweight title in a contest in which, whoever won, the status quo would remain the same.With a Black man atop the richest prize in sports, the very symbol of physical superiority.
    Because of the rampant racial prejudice then any big White boy ,farm hand etc was seen as a potential challenger and conqueror of the grinning Johnson.
    That the most qualified and dangerous challengers to Johnson were also Black was never addressed .
    Langford,McVey,Jeannette were the standouts,but because of public
    antipathy to them challenging for title honours they had to content themselves battling for the Coloured Championship and any White fighter wiling to get in the ring with them,sometimes only because the trio had to promise not to try quite so hard.Economics dictated that blowing out White boys early was not often good business and is probably responsible for some of the curious results on their records.
    Of course resistance to Blacks challenging Johnson meant Jack could avoid his most dangerous foes and defend against, easier less threatening,but more financially rewarding White challengers.
    In his position who would not do the same?Why defend against Langford ,Jeannette or McVey for a smaller purse in a fight in which ,if not in top shape, he stood a real chance of losing when he could show up in fair condition to fight somebody like Jim Flynn for $31,500 and not have to overly exert himself?
    At his best I think Johnson always beats the Black Trio,but of course his lifestyle dictated that he was seldom at his best.Langford,when he realised he was not going to get his shot lost some of his drive and dedication and his condition suffered accordingly,so it is no given that even a poorly conditioned Johnson would lose to Sam who himself was often carrying excess weight.Jeannette and McVey were different propositions they appear to have kept themselves in good shape throughout their careers.
    A French promoter offered Johnson$20,000 to defend against Jeannette in Paris and later increased his offer but with the stipulation that the fight be over the 25 rds limit Jeannette was known as a marathon man always in shape Johnson twice signed to defend against Jeanette in NY where fights were limited to10rds but, at that stage of his career he didn't relish facing Joe over the longer haul.That's my take on it anyway.
    The next generation of Black fighters Wills ,Godfrey etc also suffered from the fallout of Johnson's reign.Wills would have had a very good chance of defeating Willard imo, and of course was Dempsey's outstanding challenger for some years but was criminally sidetracked.Joe Louis broke the unspoken law by giving John Henry Lewis a title shot.I don't believe Mike Jacobs was colour prejudiced against Black heavyweight challengers he thought ,rightly or wrongly, that two Blacks didn't draw,and Louis had to pressure him to give John Henry a friend of Joe's, a title chance.Jacobs prejudice was for Green, in crisp dollar bills.
     
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  9. cross_trainer

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    London was such an unpleasant windbag.
     
  10. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    The harm was already there. Johnson didn’t create or exacerbate it. He simply fought and lived as any white man might and Johnson can’t be blamed for the harm imposed and inflicted by others.
     
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  11. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Nice post.

    It's a good thing Louis camp chose Mike Jacobs instead of Jimmy Johnston as their promoter. When Roxborough had a phone call with Johnston during their selection phase, Johnston said he would take Louis but as a black fighter, he couldn't win them all. Johnston would have forced Joe Louis to take part in dives! Unbelievable.
     
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  12. Liston73

    Liston73 Active Member banned Full Member

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    "I claim the right to pick my own mate"
     
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  13. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly.
     
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  14. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    If he thought he could have been assassinated ät anytime" why wasnt he? Too much is made of this as though Johnsonś life was on the line 24-7. Was he ever physically attacked or shot at? No doubt he had prejudice against him, but he did bring an awful lot of attention to himself.
     
  15. Liston73

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    Shots were fired at him when he was in camp getting ready for Jeffries.He was set about by a gang of toughs in Londons Docklands ,knocked out three and the other 2 fled.
     
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