Jack Johnson today with 8 oz gloves - how would he do?

It seems we agree on more than we disagree on here.

In regards to your questions... do I think a trained JJ would take O'Brien in a 6 rounder? Not sure. The only proof either way I have is the fact he could not accomplish the task when given the opportunity. Lennox Lewis also arrived unfocused to fights, which I also count against him.

I am not trying to discredit Johnson, only find what I might consider a rational estimation of his abilities in regards to his performances. I still consider him a great boxer and a greater man in regards to bravery and balls.

 

I dont think Johnson was concerned about showing superiority over O Brien, since he was in no danger of being stopped, he was content to come in out of shape, and **** on the public.
I am surprised that the public,knowing both men's less than scintilllating styles, expected an exciting fight.
The rest of your post is fair comment ,imo.:good

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Johnson at 48 ,sparring with George Godfrey for his up coming fight with Pat Lester,a Tommy Burns protege. May 1926.

Johnson beat Lester on points over 15rds ,but lost his next fight a couple of weeks later to Bob Lawson when he retired after 7 rds.

Johnson did not, as has been suggested by a poster "dog it " he was fouled in the 7th, and could not continue.

"Finally, in April of 1926, construction was underway of a 20,000 seat prize fight arena in Nogales, Mexico and a date was set, Johnson was to fight a ranked heavyweight, Pat Lester. Johnson by all accounts won the fifteen round decision with relative ease and was a favorite with the crowd. But this was to prove the apex of his comeback effort. Three weeks later he was knocked down by Bob Lawson, a blow subsequently ruled a foul, the steam was finally gone from the talk of Jack Johnson's return to the ring."​

Interestingly , Godfrey fought Lawson 4 months after Johnson ,and took a 6 rounds dec off him.

Forty eight years old Johnson , training for the Lester fight.

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In the Klondike fight, Johnson had Klondike down in the first round ,he was saved by the bell,in the second round Klondike knocked Johnson down for the stoppage.A year AFTER this fight Johnson only scaled 168lbs for a fight with Jack McCormick.Whereas Klondike is described as.

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Klondike
(John Haines)

BORN Fought mostly out of Chicago, IllinoisDIEDFebruary 1948; San Antonio, TexasHEIGHT 6-0WEIGHT 190-210 lbsKlondike was a strong, muscular fighter who could hit hard but was not a clever boxer
The Above is from Cyberzone

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As Johnson filled out and matured he fared better against Klondike, a year later he drew with him over 20rds and, later in the year, he stopped him in 14 rds.

Johnson had the best of the first 10rds of his 20 rounder with Hart ,so your analysis is totally wrong.
Johnson retired against Bob Lawson after 7 rds in 1926 ,he had been fouled in the 7th and could not continue,he was 48 years old.
For you to accuse a fighter of lacking courage, is ironic , and given your recent history,it is shameful.

 

Mcvey, its time for you to STFU.

Johnson quit like a dog in the Klondike match, allowed Hart to out work him ( another form of letting the other guy win ) and as an older fighter quit on his stool without injury. These are facts. Deal with it. The shameful part is your never ending excuses.

You quote the CBZ on Klondike? Care to quote them on the Jim Battling Johnson match which they say is 20 rounds, and Jack quit inside the distance?

 

I remember you disappeared for 3 months shortly after I asked for your email address. You never said where you were , then send me a PM when I am on vacation like a coward. Those are the facts Lenny!

You can't even risk an Internet bet over photo rights for 3 months. How the heck do you look at yourself in the mirror? You must be used to that egg on your face by now....

Ta-ta

 

yes and no's with this - it's not easier to KO people with smaller gloves at all - its harder because you can't really load up with your full power anywhere near like you can with the increased protection that the bigger gloves allow - you hit anywhere near like you can with smaller gloves and you can multiply this tenfold when not using handwraps (especially so if you have dodgy hands)

making the comparison with MMA is not quite the same - because the skill set and the method of fighting is so completely different (and the guys generally have pretty awful chin's compared to in boxing - there are the odd guys obviously who are just great punchers in MMA too - but on the whole the guys look to have pretty poor chins and are usually in trouble when any kind of decent shot lands to the head - same with things like K1 aswell - when any boxer makes the crossover everyone is scared to death of their punching ability and their toughness - even not so great (and generally well well past it) boxers such as Ray Mercer

also larger gloves are used in sparring to lessen the damage such as cuts and bruises etc these are more like with the smaller gloves (not KO's)

ANYONE WHO HAS EVER SPARRED CAN TELL YOU ALL OF THIS

do agree partially about the referees not stopping fight too soon being a reason for less stoppage wins in those days - but I'd look at that on fight by fight basis

 

The dates on my PMs ,and the open letter have been confirmed, you were still in the US.
I wish you were in the UK now, you gutless coward ,I would beat you like I was your Daddy, if he would ever admit to spawning a piece of **** like you.