Jack Johnson v Gene Tunney 15 rounds.

Regarding this fight there are two things you are perhaps not aware of? 1.There was no official weigh in , both boxers gave their weights and they were accepted.
2. Johnson knocked O Brien down in the 5th round with a short right hand.

 

"He usually followed his hard jabs with blinding right hands to either an opponent's chin or neck. He cut many an opponent to ribbons with just his jab. He was very adept at eluding blows by bobbing, weaving and slipping punches. He was a deft counter-puncher who made his opponents pay with his swift combinations after slipping their punches. He was fast on his feet and always positioned himself away from his opponent's best punch."

Dan Cuoco - Historian and Director IBRO

 

Funny that coz he didn't do any of that (at all) against Burns (one of the most diminutive heavy champs in history) - all he did was run like a sissy - farcically so - almost like he was a straw weight being chased down by a BIg George Foreman wanting to kill him - even the voice over commentator on it was laughing at the ridiculousness of him - if he was like that when faced with Burns and he was throwing himself to the floor against Johnson without being hit in a desperate bid to escape pain then somebodies lying aren't they??

 

Old Dan must be ancient if he saw Philly Jack do all these things,given Jack had his last fight in 1912, how old do you reckon Dan is? :huh

"Always positioned himself away from his opponents best punch"?

Well not" always," here he is on the floor in the first round against 41years old Fitz.

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...=7&page=8&page=6&page=7&page=8&page=9&index=3

How about when Ketchel laid him out with his head resting in his own resin box?

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...BAJ&pg=5663,168685&dq=jack+o+brien+1909&hl=en

 

typo done tonight

 

Now corrected , thanks.:good

How about some posts? I like what you put up.

 

Thank you. I post here often. Nothing too extensive. A couple few sentences usually.
My fingers on a keyboards like a special ed kid tryin to wave a sparkler!

 

Did Dan Cuoco ever see O'Brien fight ?

 

DId Adam Pollack ever see John L, Jeffries or Corbett fight?

 

So we care going to chastise O'Brien for getting floored by arguably the two hardest punchers in the history of the middleweight division?

What next, Holmes had a dodgy jaw because Shavers put him down?

 

Not as far as I know.
Earlier you were insisting the relevance of first-hand ringside accounts over the estimations of 21st century commentators. That is your preference and I understand your reasoning. Am I to take it you have cross-checked Dan Cuoco's claims against all the relevant material that you value ?
Surely you are not just taking his word for it.

 

I'm not going to chastise him , I believe he was a quick handed, mobile boxer, who, according to himself ,went into the tank, / took it easy/ carried fighters ,as the cash tills demanded. I would need more substantial proof that he was a quick handed combination puncher than Mr Cuoco has provided so far.
For the record If Mr O Brien, and Mr Johnson were to engage in a pugilistic enterprise that contained the following elements.
1. Fought on the level
2. Both in top shape
3. Fought to a decision
Mr Johnson would punch the very Granny out of Mr O Brien.imo.

 

Coulda, wouda, shouda...

I am concerned as to what happened when Johnson actually got the chance. And I have never read any hint that this fight was not on the level, tho I guess per certain agendas we are suppose to assume all fights are not on the level when our chosen fighter's results do not fit the script.

 

From what I understand many bouts from that era were not "on the level" as we would understand it. The days when 'prize-fights' were often distinguished from 'boxing matches' and 'boxing exhibitions' for legal reasons and fighters made a lot of assurances and conditions when fighting certain guys or in certain towns. As a matter of course rather than occasionally. It swings both ways of course.