Jack Johnson v Joe Jeanette I and unrecorded fight

No, it's not ended not at all, I have to take my turn, so wait "with bated breath", the spins stop here. The details I have provided on these threads were always there and I cant for the life of me understand why you ignore them. It's kinda funny how you and professor crapper always seem to follow each other hmmmmmm!
Be good you've made your posts I feel obligated to response, unless you are saying you dont want to play anymore. Anyway I am off to Mejico. I know you cant care less, but out of courtesy I bid farewell for now.

 

I gave two examples of Jeannette's weight in1912 from contemporary fight reports.
I also gave examples of his weight in earlier posts ,no mention of him being 165lbs which is just what he claimed he weighed for his last fight against Johnson ,sheer bullsh*t.
" On Sep12 163.5lbs Jeff Clark clearly won the unofficial 6rd decision against 197.5lbs Jeannette.
On Sep 9 195lbs Joe Jeannette won a 7th rd dsq over 207.5lbs Tony Ross. The Freeman Sep 14 1912. Don't rush back with input I doubt you have as much infomation on Jack Johnson,or his fights with Jeannnette as I have.And for your information ,putting the verified facts out there in a post is not defending anyone ,it's just telling the truth.

 

I gave two examples Jeannette's weight in1912 from contemporary fight reports.

" On Sep12 163.5lbs Jeff Clark clearly won the unofficial 6rd decision against 197.5lbs Jeannette.

On Sep 9 195lbs Joe Jeannette won a 7th rd dsq over 207.5lbs Tony Ross. The Freeman Sep 14 1912.

Post away ,you f*cked my thread up ,and now you're determined to do the same to Boilermaker's.What you post isn't of any interest to me and I don't see anyone else jumping up and down in expectation either!
Here's a thought ,why not make your own thread about Joe Jeannette ! You can adore him all day to your hearts content and you won't be riding roughshod over others who want to debate the actual subjects of threads!

 

"mcvey, I've no interest in trying to influence what anyone here thinks, to be brutally candid I couldn't care less.

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like the truth to be heard,

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"mcvey,I gave two examples of Jeannette's weight in1912 from contemporary fight reports.
I also gave examples of his weight in earlier posts ,no mention of him being 165lbs which is just what he claimed he weighed for his last fight against Johnson ,sheer bullsh*t.

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" On Sep12 163.5lbs Jeff Clark clearly won the unofficial 6rd decision against 197.5lbs Jeannette.
On Sep 9 195lbs Joe Jeannette won a 7th rd dsq over 207.5lbs Tony Ross. The Freeman Sep 14 1912.

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Don't rush back with input I doubt you have as much infomation on Jack Johnson,or his fights with Jeannnette as I have.

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And for your information ,putting the verified facts out there in a post is not defending anyone ,it's just telling the truth.

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"mcvey, I gave two examples Jeannette's weight in1912 from contemporary fight reports.

" On Sep12 163.5lbs Jeff Clark clearly won the unofficial 6rd decision against 197.5lbs Jeannette.

On Sep 9 195lbs Joe Jeannette won a 7th rd dsq over 207.5lbs Tony Ross. The Freeman Sep 14 1912.

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Post away ,you f*cked my thread up ,

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and now you're determined to do the same to Boilermaker's.

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What you post isn't of any interest to me and I don't see anyone else jumping up and down in expectation either!

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Here's a thought ,why not make your own thread about Joe Jeannette !

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You can adore him all day to your hearts content and you won't be riding roughshod over others who want to debate the actual subjects of threads!

"Jack Johnson v Joe Jeanette I and unrecorded fight"

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For what it's worth my 1975 Ring record book lists Jeanette as a 5' 10", 190 pound fighter.

That same record book a few pages earlier lists Sam Langford as a 5' 7.5", 142-185 pound fighter.

 

Jennette was 5'9. Langford, was 5'6 1/2, Jennette wound up 190+pds later in his career but to begin his career when he fought Johnson he was in the high '60's. Countless contemporary articles and reports say he was a MW or a LHW. Countless contemporary articles say Johnson was the taller, heavier fighter and that was when Johnson was weighing 185-190. If the Ring 1975 Record book was correct in saying Jennette weighed 190, then he was heavier then then Johnson or at least his equal in weight, that was not the case, many contemporary reports say the opposite Johnson was the bigger guy substantially.

 

Just pointing out that in the 75 Ring record book they list the range of weight Langford fought at but not a range for Jeanette.

Also they list a range of weight for Carpentier as well as Walker. Others that fought in more than one weight class.

 

The thing to understand is during those times if you weighed 160 pounds you could fight as a hwt. So if indeed Jeanette was 167 to say Johnsons 185 so what? Absolutely perfectly fine in those days and times.

Secondly aside from isolated bouts with specific fighters overwhelmingly and predominantly Jeanette fought as a Hwt from his very first recorded bout. So it was perfectly fine with Jeanette himself to fight in the hwt division. He fought and beat some very large Hwts.

Third Johnson also put on weight as he matured.

 

The moron above you believes a tale that Jeannette told that at 26years old he weighed only165lbs for his last fight with Johnson,he produces no proof to prove this and he never will!
He is arguing a point that has never been contested by me,namely that Jeannette was just beginning his career when he had his fights with Johnson.
I've never suggested otherwise and no post out of the 71,292 I have made here says,implies,states or suggests otherwise.
I have never ever said these are premier wins for Johnson and I don't consider them to be so.
I have never said or implied Jeannette did not improve as he gained more experience,all I have said is that so did Johnson.
I believe that prime for prime Johnson beats Jeannette.
The older Johnson that had dissipated his body and was being hounded around the world against an in condition Jeannette would probably have had it all to do ,especially over a longer distance that seems to me an entirely reasonable stance to take,but I judge fighters prime for prime.
I proved conclusively that Johnson signed to defend his title against Jeannette twice in NY where ,since Jeannette was from New Jersey made sound financial sense.The fights did not happen which was no fault of Johnson's something I also proved.
All the imbecile above you has done is repeat mantra- fashion that Jeannette was not prime when he fought Johnson as if this was some kind of startling revelation! In fact it can easily be ascertained by anyone sufficiently interested by glancing at BoxRec!
He has not argued against the primary sourced reports I posted simply because he cant!
In short he has no argument and no position to debate from
He is not only a moronic fan boy who has mounted a crusade against a non existant argument on the basis of my saying"I think Jeannette was slightly overated".He is a monumental bore.

 

Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Jeannette was 5 feet ten inches tall.
"He tackled the first of the really big men he would fight during his career".Sam was matched with the very formidable black 26years old heavyweight Joe Jeanette".Xmas Day 1905

 

mcvey,The moron above you believes a tale that Jeannette told that at 26years old he weighed only165lbs for his last fight with Johnson, produces no proof to prove this and he never will!

Now kind sir, the pysstorian in search of the truth knows for a fact their is plenty of proof, I provided one which said and mention a specific weight 165, of course it doesnt meet with the pysstorians seal of approval cos it goes against his pathetic beliefs, sad so sad. Anybody, besides you who is forever in denial, who forever is a bottom feeder, deals in the negative, almost every thread you get on you emphasize the losses, everything is a fix. Then when you're caught you act like a child, you deny, deny, deny and then you resort to whining and crying that I am picking on you, c'mon please, man up.

He is arguing a point that has never been contested by me,namely that Jeannette was just beginning his career when he had his fights with Johnson.

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I've never suggested otherwise and no post out of the 71,292 I have made here says,implies,states or suggests otherwise.

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I have never ever said these are premier wins for Johnson and I don't consider them to be so.

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I have never said or implied Jeannette did not improve as he gained more experience,all I have said is that so did Johnson.

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I believe that prime for prime Johnson beats Jeannette.

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The older Johnson that had dissipated his body and was being hounded around the world against an in condition Jeannette would probably have had it all to do ,especially over a longer distance that seems to me an entirely reasonable stance to take,but I judge fighters prime for prime.

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I proved conclusively that Johnson signed to defend his title against Jeannette twice in NY where ,since Jeannette was from New Jersey made sound financial sense.The fights did not happen which was no fault of Johnson's something I also proved.

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All the imbecile above you has done is repeat mantra- fashion that Jeannette was not prime when he fought Johnson as if this was some kind of startling revelation! In fact it can easily be ascertained by anyone sufficiently interested by glancing at BoxRec!

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He has not argued against the primary sourced reports I posted simply because he cant!

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In short he has no argument and no position to debate from

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He is not only a moronic fan boy who has mounted a crusade against a non existant argument on the basis of my saying"I think Jeannette was slightly overated".He is a monumental bore.

In denial again, and showing a character flaw, always being the victim, "all I said was "I think Jeannette was slightly overated"

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mcvey,

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Wrong, wrong, wrong. Jeannette was 5 feet ten inches tall.

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"He tackled the first of the really big men he would fight during his career".Sam was matched with the very formidable black 26years old heavyweight Joe Jeanette".Xmas Day 1905

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You base Jeannette's weight on him being referred to as a middleweight in one paper.I've given a rebuttal that describes him as a heavyweight and my post is dated..You cannot accept one and reject the other..Well not if you have any intelligence.
You're wrong yet again, Langford's weight against Johnson is unknown because he did not weigh in.Neither did Jeannette so sorry, yet again, no proof ,no argument, no credibility.
Just a pathetic silly man, repeatedly arguing a point that has never been contested by me.