Jack Johnson v Rocky Marciano

Marciano by decision.

I just don't see a counter puncher, being able to catch Rocky often enough to take this fight. If JJ elects to stand and counter, he will be beat half to death. He may make the bell but he wont win the fight.

I do not see JJ as explosive enough to end Rocky if he gets him in trouble, JJ typically wore down his opponents with clinches and leaning, and played with his opponents by mocking them . But did not destroy them with flurries or sustained attacks. He would let them expend themselves and then finish them.

Rocky will never stop, never tire, and never give up mentally.

I think the Rock gets knocked down, perhaps more than once, but I cant see JJ knocking him out. JJ best chance is to hold, hit, and hold some more...... UGLY fight if this happens.

Would be a great fight if Johnson stays in front of the rock and tries to counter, for about 10 rounds anyway.

Marcaino is a force of nature, if you do not have a huge weight and height advantage, or blazing speed and endurance... Rocky will keep coming, and will beat you down until you cant stand anymore.

Johnson, is best against boxers, his feints, counters and superior endurance and strength , and defensive ability will give boxers trouble.

Rocky, ...forget it, ........ He is coming, feints, counters.... don't matter, Rocky is not trying to box you, he is trying to kill you.... Johnson's strength and endurance just prolong the struggle, but wont save him.

 

I see Johnson winning a decision.
I see him landing his uppercut when Marciano gets inside and strong enough to tie him up when he tries to bombard him.

Johnson beat every smaller shorter swarmer he faced,Marciano in his prime would be the best he faced,and I believe his skills and defence would be up to the challenge.
Posters will say ,"well what about Marciano's work rate and Johnson's lack of one? "

Unless Alex Creggains is the referee it won't be that much of a factor because work rate has to be effective, ie you have to be landing punches,and I don't think Marciano will be able to land with any consistancy on Johnson.

My opinion of Johnson is that he was superior as a boxer.and in strength to both Charles and Walcott who gave Marciano very good fights. Johnson also has a top class uppercut tailor made for the crouching Marciano.

Therefore I pick him to win,and I may be on my own in that.

 

Johnsons resume indicates he was best against smaller, shorter, swarmers. Langford,McVey,Burns Flynn.

 

See the most common match up Johnson had was Hart. Now whilst Hart did win that fight it wasn't fought using the scoring criteria that Marciano usually fought under.

Johnson is most similar to Jersey out of those Rocky faced and he is more durable imo and less likely to be one bombed.

Put Rocky in place of Hart and he wins. There's no way Johnson will ever out punch him. Put Johnson in place of Jersey and he wins imo as not only is he the superior boxer but he'll be the first man Rocky faces who is stronger than him.

 

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Under modern rules Rocky. Johnson wouldn't get away with half his game under modern era rules.

 

Correct. Under any rule set Marciano wins. He's more active, hits significantly harder, and takes a better punch.

If a slightly past his prime Choynski could spark Johnson in 3, Rocky's could do the same.

If Johnson let a game but limited Hart out work him, Marciano would do the same.

If Johnson could not beat a past his prime Griffin in three fights, getting out scored on the inside, what would Rocky do to him on the inside?

All three men who beat Johnson were Rocky's size or smaller.

 

Would Marciano get away with all his fouls today?:think

 

Both Choynski and Johnson were around 170lbs, for their fight, Choynski was slightly past prime ,Johnson definitely pre- prime.

Griffin and Hart were both significantly bigger than Marciano.
Griffin was 6'1" Hart was an inch taller and had six inches reach on Marciano was 10lb20lbs s heavier,Hart's chest measurement was 45" Marciano's 39" You need to do better than this.

 

No, he would be docked points even faster than he was in the 1950's. Johnson often skated with his fouls.

The difference is Rocky he did not build half of his offense around clinching and hitting as Johnson did.

 

Check the weights. Rocky was heavier Griffin and Choynski. He also was not 156 pounds and 20 like Langford was nor was he a teenager as Mcvey was when he lost to Johnson. Your'e examples don't pass the sniff test. Mine do.

Johnson had lots of trouble vs the better opponents he fought that were not 19 and 20 over 180 pounds! I did not list middles over 156 pounds like Ketchel who floored and produced a big mark on Johnson's face, nor did I list O'brein who some primary sources felt out pointed Johnson.

You could say if a crude and smaller Ketchel could mark up and floor Johnson, what would Marciano do?!

 

I don't think he could.