Jack Johnson vs. David Tua

I feel that Tua is one of the most over rated fighters in fantasy fights.

He fell short every time he stepped up in his own era, not just against the ATG of the era, but also against the contenders.

If you match him agianst the ATG from any given era, the chances are that he is going to loose.

 

He lost to a former midleeweight who would go on to fight at light heavyweight, in one of the biggest fights of his career.

You realy should pick your arguments more carefully.

 

He lost to a slippery, extremely skilled and talented former middle who weighed in at a real heavyweight weight for a good many years (by your logic Dempsey can be referred to as a former middleweight)... A heavyweight who in fact looks great on film. Johnson lost to a powerpunching middle/lightheavy and at the peak of his powers drew with a dancing lil' Irishman, the latter who looks like crap on film. Furthermore, he lost (or did not do enough to win) against a doughboy soft hillbilly who we can flatteringly refer to as a cruiserweight. Though not at all his fault, it was a sign of the times that he took his title from a feisty supermiddleweight with birthing hips, real athletic stock there.

Byrd was a highly skilled aberration for his era, while Johnson's opponents tended to represent an underwhelming norm.

 

I think Johnson utterly dominates and clearly outboxes him in every round en route to a wide decision victory. His speed, footwork, and defensive skills were simply way too superior for Tua.

 

When did he use that speed, footwork and defensive skills against anyone remotely as gifted and powerful as Tua was at his best? And if I see the name Sam McVea, I might puke.

 

agree. if people are so confident that johnson can win (easily) then an analysis should be easy. as should a comparison of similar opponents he completely dominated with attributes, good or bad, comparable to tua.

if not, as seamus suggested you are picking on prestige and ranking rather than who could actually win

 

Off the top of my head,

McVey, Ferguson, Martin, Jeffries, Kaufman, Moran, cowler

All were about as big as Tua or bigger and hit about as hard as Tua and were similarly gifted, although maybe i just dont rank Tua as highly as others.

 

true and there's more supporters for tua than i expected.

being bigger, possibly stronger and a much better puncher should not be disregarded, nor such wildly superior skills and ring iq.

personally, i see tua doing reasonable in the first 3, even scoring a knockdown. johnson gets up and starts wearing down tua on the inside with sharp uppercuts and incessant holding.

tua is discouraged and tries a few rallies through 4-6 but they amount to little. johnson realizes the left is the only real danger and avoids it past the middle rounds, taking a handful of rights with aplumb.

going into round 9 tua is relegated to one shot at a time, which is something johnson is far more experienced and skilled at. johnson picks his shots better and deflects tua's now clumsy rushes.

Johnson UD over 12, virutally sweeping the last four

 

Commence puking.

And seriously given the records and quality of heavyweight opposition, do you truly believe these statements? Have you seen the available footage of McVey? A stale old Jeffries who in his prime took a hundred or so rounds to put away a lightheavy and a crusty old cruiser? Moran has more power than Tua? How about we put that to a poll on this forum? Seriously.

 

No it was not his fault because, given the chance he desperately wanted he might have won it from Jeffries.
I dont believe Burns hips are particularly unusual, he was big in the thighs ,probably from his days as a pro lacrosse player.

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There again ,big thighs are not confined to boxers of his era are they?

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You mean bottle as in Johnson quit in two matches during his career, and took his foot off the gas pedal in others. Ok--your fact checking is done for today.