Jack Johnson vs. David Tua

A modern fighter has great advantages of someone like Johnson i.e better diet, better training etc. Obviously Johnson is the better fighter but Tua would have to take this one.

 

Johnson was not d better fighter . He was KOd by a lightmiddleweight and could not stop welterweights .

 

Frankenfrank is d pits.

 

True. Imagine if something like that happened to Louis, Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, or Klitschko.

 

Which light middelweight stopped Johnson?

Welterweight Young Peter Jackson survived against Johnson by running away for the entire fight.


Jackson was only stopped twice in 134 fights. among the punchers he fought, who could not stop him were Langford x 5,and Gunboat Smith.

In Jackson's next fight, after Johnson [6 months later,] he stopped Langford in 5rds.

 

Lennox, Ike, RAhman and Maskaev fought a 9 foot 500lb monster? :?

One of us is reading bedtime stories!

 

Chris Byrd , a blown up super middleweight showed that he could out box Tua ... Johnson, better in every way would do the same.

 

How did Johnson prove himself better in every way? By stifling the one roundhouse punch at a time attack of lightheavyweight barroom brawlers? Was Marvin Hart really a more destructive, more effective force than Tua? Would Johnson really be able to clinch Tua and smile to press row a la Burns?

 

You keep wittering on about all these tiny men Johnson fought, yet the average weight of his title challengers was 202lbs.:huh
That is far in excess of all his predecessors ,and considerably higher than Dempsey's.

 

:goodthanks for that, did not know that

 

Who were the BEST of his opponents in his career? Langford (154), McVea (a 200 pounder), Jeanette (180-190?), Hart (190), Flynn (177), Burns (167), O'Brien (162), Ketchel (170)... Hart was a defeat, O'Brien was a draw.

Now how does the math add up on these, his best, opponents?

 

Langford was 156lbs, Johnson was 185lbs.

Mcvey was 207lbs to Johnsons's 190 when he was stopped in their last fight.
Flynn weighed 193lbs for their second fight.
Burns was 168lbs.
Thats 50% of your figures wrong. We don't know how good many of Johnsons opponents were.
For example;
Klondike. Peter Felix,Fred Russell, Denver Ed Martin,Hank Griffin.Black Bill .
What we do know is NONE of those were light heavyweights.

 

again

 

Hart threw sixty punches a round for twenty rounds. Tua throws three hundred punches a fight.

 

I imagine that the extremely green McVea he fought was a bit less the first couple times they fought than the final time... so lets say calling him a 200 pounder is about right. He was a real, albeit very green, heavyweight. I have never discounted that fact.

And the Flynn that Johnson fought to set up his title match was 177. The softened up version (courtesy of Langford and Kaufman) he fought a few years later was 193. Which was the more important match? Which version was the more important opponent to Jack's career?

Ooohh, was I a full pound off on Burns weight really? What, do you want their weights down to the ounce? Or do you want me to cut and paste boxrec weights onto my responses? C'mon.

So, since we don't know how good many of his opponents were, are we to assume they were magnificent exponents of a forgotten fistic art? Cuz the scant footage from that era, even on careful viewing and accommodating for changes in equipment and rulesets, does not lead me to believe those fighters existed... and that Johnson was, at least for heavies, a true pioneer in craft and ability.