Jack Johnson vs Frank Moran. Film link, narrative and 19 minutes of footage shown

It's a ridiculous commentary.

 

One more thing...Johnson didn't look overweight to me. He was lean and in good shape.
Compare him to fat slobs of today!

 

Then Burns ,he was the reigning champion in his prime.He hadn't lost a fight in 3years, had beaten:

Squiresx3
Lang
Moir
O Brien
Hart
Flynn
Knocked out his last 8 opponents including Flynn and was 3years younger than Johnson at 27.

 

Johnson was 221.5lbs, he was fat.This was the heaviest he weighed up until his losing his title at 37 to Willard a year later for which fight he was 225lbs.

 

I've posted extracts from three leading papers that say Johnson won comfortably and was unmarked at the finish.

 

Good post. Its part of the reason i believe Greb is part fact / part fiction.

 

I made a thread asking if clear footage of a prime Greb was discovered ,would it have an adverse effect on his almost mythical status? Point being, could any fighter live up to such unrealistic expectations?

 

I like to have footage to judge a boxer. Maybe Greb was everything they said he was. I don't know.. Im only a fan of this sport for what i see , not because of what i read.
If this forum was to believed , Vitali K was the best HW that ever lived.

 

While I don't put them down as much as you, neither make my top ten all time.

 

I don't know enough about Greb apart from whats been written to put him down or praise him. I only judge guys who have watchable footage.

 

Regarding the Flynn fight,where do you say we can see him"having his moments"?

Specifically which rounds do you say he won?

Here is a next day report of the fight.

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1912-07-05/ed-1/seq-12/

Here is another.

• Syndicated boxing writer T.S. Andrews reported on July 5, 1912:

• The fight was scheduled to go forty-five rounds, but in the ninth Capt. Fornoff of the state force, personal representative at the ringside of Governor McDonald, declared that it was no longer a boxing contest; that it was a brutal exhibition, and that Flynn's foul tactics made its continuance impossible. He jumped into the ring with his deputies and drove the fighters and officials who followed him to the corners. Referee Ed W. Smith then announced that Johnson had won and the fight was over.

Flynn displayed no ability throughout the fight. He was cut about the face until blood ran down his breast in a stream. He was utterly helpless from the first round on and by the sixth was deliberately trying to butt the champion's chin with his head. Time after time, as Johnson held him powerless in the clinches, Flynn jerked his head upward.
Smith warned him repeatedly, but it did no good. In the seventh he began leaping upward every time he could work his head under Johnson's chin. Flynn's feet were both off the floor time and again with the energy he put into his bounds. Sometimes he seemed to leap two feet into the air in frantic plunges at the elusive jaw above him.
Referee Smith forced Flynn back toward his corner half a dozen times. "Stop that butting," he would say, shaking his finger in Flynn's face. "Stop it or I will disqualify you."
"The — Negro's holding me," Flynn roared back. "He's holding me all the time. He's holding me like this," and he offered to illustrate on the referee. Smith evaded the blood smeared arms held toward him and waved the men together again.
In the next clinch—it was in the eighth round—Flynn flung himself upward again. Smith jumped between them and warned him once more. "Next time you do it I'll disqualify you," he shouted at Flynn, but changed his mind, for it happened again and again in that round and repeatedly in the ninth before the police took a hand.
Through it all the champion was grinning. He evaded Flynn's attack with the utmost ease, whether the Pueblo man led with his hands or with his head. Only once in the rounds did he show any wish to end the fight, and yet ringside opinion was unanimous that he could have put Flynn out at any time he happened to fancy, whether in the first or the ninth round.
Newspaper Articles

Here is another.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=bQMGAAAAIBAJ&pg=4148,1733364&hl=en
The photo below clearly reveals the distress Johnson was in.lol!

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I have already posted the referee's opinion that Flynn fouled out to save himself from being stopped,something he told a reporter he had the intention of doing before the fight!

You just keep that hate coming Klan Man ,it gives you a reason to get up in the morning !lol.

 

All any of us can do is look at his record .

 

Brian Neilson is an ATG in that case.

 

A huge difference is that the writers weren't watching the actions through antique cameras using obscure lenses and strange frame rates. You can't even create an Instagram filter or a video effect that could replicate what those cameras did.

You see waltzing, they were seeing guys getting punched in the face, and hearing the sounds of the fight. Think about this; The way people describe Golovkin is "superhero-esque." Yet, Golovkin through a 1910 camera would look harmless if you were looking at it the same way. You would be scratching your head, wondering why Golovkin isn't just ending the fight with a ferocious punch like the writers had described. And then doubt would start to set in...

I know what you mean. It's the knee-jerk reaction to watching antiquated footage. But there is so much detail lost with those cameras. It's like watching a shadow of real life events, whereas modern cameras make us feel like we're there. And modern production strums our senses using various angles, audio and video techniques to enhance the viewing experience.

A couple months ago, many credible people here were still talking about how old timers didn't throw 1-2's or combos. But after mining the high quality footage from the sea of junk, we've kinda moved passed that, and we're realizing these guys are better than the cynical side of ourselves seems to let us believe.

 

Why, because he beat a 47 years old Larry Holmes by a controversial split decision?.

How does that equate with the many HOF's Greb beat?