Jack Johnson vs Jack Dempsey

I like Dempsey in this one but may get a little ugly in spots_ I like JD's explosiveness to win by KO

 

A few things

1. Moran vs. Johnson was close, even with Johnson fouling on more than one occasion.

2. People think the arm injury happened in round ten. Jack was lucky to draw vs Jim on that day. Had it been 12 rounds or more, there is a new champion.

3 ) Ferguson, Jeffords, and Kennedy were not very good and you know it. Kaufman as soon as he fought Johnson lost too many times to count. We are talking Johnson vs a 6'1 man with skill and power here, not sub .500 fighters.


You left out McCormick. ( 6'2 1/2 " tall ) He wasn't very good either but was even with Johnson. He has a known 5-7-2 record, yet he dew with Johnson in 1906!

The re-match was even too until McCormick fouled:

So there you have it, Johnson filed to separate himself from a guy with a losing record.

He had his hands full at times with Ferguson too.

Same old Mcvey, same old excuses.

 

Johnson blunts Dempsey's early attack with his masterful radar and some clinching. I believe he was the stronger man inside. Some crisp counters take away the edge of Dempsey's aggression enough to give Johnson the time and room to box his ears off.

 

Johnson easily won the first 3 rounds against Battling Jim ,then it was remarked he only used one hand after it.
Johnson hit Moran on the break and was warned for it this was the only foul he committed and the contemporary papers remarked on it having been a clean contest. I have the reports. The fight was not close and this is confirmed by the next days papers.
Johnson played with Ferguson who in one fight after being outclassed resorted to kneeing him in the nuts. he was always easy meat for Jack.

You are a laughing stock on here.Good God Man, can't you see what a complete show you make of yourself!

 

Its entirely possible!

 

Dempsey outworks him

 

I'm taking Dempsey. He's just so much better on film than Johnson's main pelts appear to have been. An active twofisted fighter with a great inside game and fast feet doesn't create Johnson's safe space.

 

Who said this? I'd like to read it. And no a list with one name on top of the other doesn't mean that's how a person would pick it.

 

One thing you see when two great boxers meet, is they are nowhere near as effective and fight very different from how they would against lesser opponents. Johnson probably lands less on Dempsey than he would on his other opponents & Dempsey’s attack’s would be less explosive, more measured and less frequent. A cagey affair probably suits Johnson, however Dempsey’s more positive and come forward style may sway the judges if it went to a decision considering the era. There’s plenty of reasons to go for either Jack here.

 

Double post.

 

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Also, are you going to tell us what the purses were , you said you knew

WRONG! Johnson picked Moran's biceps in the clinches. Is that allowed? And he certainly took a cheap shot on the break.

I come back with facts and details; you use excuses!

You might want to learn why Ferguson retaliated. Johnson landed a few on the beltline, the press said one or two might have strayed and didn't he flop on him leading to the knee?

Also, why does Johnson win fights when he fouled Jeannette by landing a low blow, but was the beneficiary of earning a DQ win when he was fouled. And he was lucky to beat Battling Jim, as not one judge voted for him to win, but one did think Battling Jim was the better.

Going low was something Johnson did in a few fights, including post Willard


Going low was something Johnson was no stranger too. He did it post Willard as well.

Going low was something Johnson was no stranger too. He did it post Willard as well.

 

Again...where is the majority opinion that Johnson had a tough fight vs Moran?

Here are a multitude of articles all of which are eye witness accounts of the Johnson Moran fight. Where does it say Johnson had a tough fight?

St Petersburg Times
“Johnson beat Moran easily”

SI 1959
“It was true that Johnson was not in first-rate condition, but his superlative defense held up, and he was able to evade the dreaded Mary Ann and give Moran a severe beating without the full use of his left arm.”

Le Cri de Paris: "Johnson had a cakewalk with a fighter he probably could have rid himself of in a few minutes." This paper alleged that Johnson carried Moran because he was anowner of 2/3 of the motion picture revenue and hoped to make money by making the film longer and making Moran look good for white audiences.

Le Journal: "The Negro champion of the world dominated his challenger for twenty rounds." and "Almost from the beginning of the contest it seemed as if the fight would not last ten rounds. This was a mistake because Johnson never pressed his attack and the contest lasted the limit."

Le Matin: "Jack Johnson smiled throughout the contest, smiled openly, smiled at his seconds, and laughed at Frank Moran whenever Moran would hit him in the stomach. The public was disgusted with his exhibition." The paper compared Moran to a school boy playing the role of a general who is then confronted with having to fill the generals shoes and is ill prepared for the task at hand. It intimated that while Moran was brave he appeared to lose confidence the instant Johnson entered the ring.

Le Petit Parisien: "He (Johnson) beat Moran on points easily."

L'Humanite: "By the third round Johnson had asserted his superiority over Moran." "The match was disappointing, one is left with the impression that Moran is not in Johnson's class." "Johnson clearly won on points but he is no longer the Johnson of old."

Le Figaro: This paper also said Johnson had the fight firmly in his grasp by the third round despite it being a dull monotonous affair. "Moran did not understand that at 27 years old he must take the fight to the 36 year old Johnson." By the tenth round Johnson was in such control that the author expected him to land a knockout blow at any moment. "Defeat (for Moran) was a certainty." The paper stated that Johnson was "infinitely better than Moran" and his smiling and mocking of anopponent so inferior was beneath him.

La Sport Universel Illustre: "Frank Moran, despite all of his inferiority, despite his poor quality, will now be able to avail himself of the privilege of having gone twenty rounds with Jack Johnson." "It was twenty rounds of monotony which ended in Johnson winning his victory without having to utilize his scientific knowledge of boxing."

Most accounts mention Moran bleeding constantly throughout from his nose and that a cut above his eye affected his vision.

 

Jack Dempsey is one of my most favorite Fighters of all time and for some reason, Johnson is at the bottom of my fav list, I prefer reading about McVea, Jeannette, Langford and others over Johnson, but in this one, I have to go with Johnson in a UD, Tunney did it, even if at the end of Jack's career after being off for a long time, but still Johnson can outbox him and win.

 

You have mental health problems.
Is there some family secret regarding Johnson in your lineage? Some skeleton in your family closet that prompts these irrational outbursts of all encompassing hatred and vitriol?
Yes I did laugh at your post,but then I began to feel a little sad for you.
You poor, benighted soul you have something wrong with you.
Seek professional help!