Jack Johnson vs. Jeffries in 1905

Johnson did not write," My Life And Battles, "it was originally entitled

"Mes Combats"and was a series of ghost written articles written in French three times translated and is absolute tosh.
Why not spend some of that time you devote to thinking up childish insults doing some research?

The Trenton Times has a good account of the fight. I will try and find it
Likewise George Siler's account of the Klondike fight.Holmes took a harder shot than Johnson ? And just how do you know that?

It might have some bearing on Holmes recovery rate that he was

1.29years old, in his absolute prime

2.At his optimum weight of 210lbs

3. Had fought 3 months earlier, and 3 months previously to that.

4. Was fighting in CAESARS PALACE

.5. Had fought for only 20 minutes at the time of the knockdown



1. Johnson was 37 years old.

2.At 225lbs he was well over his optimum weight, and had not been in top shape for 5 years.

3.Had not had a real fight since he fought Moran a year previously.

4.Johnson was fighting in tropical heat which his opponent ,a trained to the minute giant ,stated was" hotter than hell".

5. Johnson had been fighting for 78 minutes when Willard finally kod him

Holmes at 38 was butchered by Tyson, when you get older your punch resistance decreases.


I stated Jeffries was not in his prime many, many times, some of them before you ever came on this site, if you can be bothered look it up.

I do part time pest control for farmers . I use several methods to achieve this ferrets, rifle, and dogs.
I started proving my manhood IN THE RING , half a century ago , before you were hatched .
How about yourself?

Below the George Siler link .

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...page=root;view=image;size=100;seq=123;num=115

 

Anyone thinking it would not be a barnburner is highly partisan.

 

Jimmy Ellis was kod by Ruben Carter when he was a middle weight, do you think he could repeat the trick when Ellis was a heavy?
Sam Langford was stopped by Jeannette in 1905 when he was around 158/160lbs, by welterweight Young Peter Jackson in 1906 and floored twice ,some say three times by Johnson the same year do you think they would duplicate these feats once Langford was 175/ 180lbs?

A 167lbs James Toney was dropped by Jones ,yet 50lbs heavier, he took the punches of Rahman,Holyfieldand Peter,full fledged heavyweights?

You talk from ignorance

 

You really are quite a character.

 

Too much for you though.
I've offered a truce ,but if you want to continue with the silly insults, be my guest , I won't respond in kind.
I don't need to,I have your measure.:good

p.s. Here's something for you to salivate over, taken from Senya's excellent site.

A titanic struggle between Jim Jeffries ,and a huge opponent

http://senya13.blogspot.com/2011/05/1897-05-18-joe-gans-w-pts20-mike.html

 

At first Johnson thought it was a left, though I also have quotes from him saying the punch landed on his left side, which most likely would have been a right. I have no problem with someone saying it landed on the temple. Johnson made that claim as well, on the left side near his left eye, and he said the punch landed so hard that it caused the left side of his head to become misshapen, with a permanent lump on his head. Who knows?

All I can say is the local writer either was at a bad angle or the punch landed so fast he didn't see it. He thought it was a punch to the jaw, but wasn't sure. He just suddenly saw Johnson slip down to the ground face first. Referee Bernau told the reporter that Joe feinted the left and nailed him on the jaw with the right.

The local Galveston Daily News was clear that Johnson was out cold for quite some time. Even after the police stepped into the ring and arrested Choynski, two of the rangers had to stand guard over Johnson until he woke up. Imagine waking up from being knocked out only to have the bracelets put on you and taken off to jail. Ugh.

 

Either Johnson's chin did indeed improve with age and additional weight, or it was just that his defense vastly improved, or both. Perhaps his fear regarding his chin explains his very cautious defensive style. Who knows? Again, one can debate. But no one stopped him in a fight after Choynski in February 1901 up to April 1915 when the huge Willard got him when he was old and in the late rounds (rd. 26) in the heat when he was tired, and I imagine he got nailed hard on the jaw somewhere sometime in all those intervening years, yet no one stopped him for about 14 years. Did he get dropped? Yes. But he always got up, except for Choynski and Willard. Not bad at all.

The Klondike KO is overrated. Sure Johnson was hurt and tired, but he was never down. He was clinching excessively at the time, so the police stepped in and ordered the bout stopped, thinking that Johnson had enough, but given Johnson's ability to last and survive, I think it possible that he could have lasted another round and clinched his way to a decision loss had they allowed it to continue. Johnson fought him to a 20-round draw in the rematch, and Klondike retired in their third bout.

McVey was known as a huge puncher when Johnson fought him, and he was more experienced than folks realize. He was 14-0 with 14 KOs when Johnson first fought him, weighed over 200 pounds, and they fought three times, and McVey had bouts in between those fights to gain additional experience. Yet you would think that a puncher in 60 rounds of boxing would manage to land a big one somewhere on Johnson, yet he never hurt him.

Marvin Hart was known as a big puncher who decked nearly everyone he ever fought. Yet, Johnson took, blocked, or eluded his punches.

Frank Childs was known as a puncher as well. Ed Martin wasn't a huge puncher, but he was a big dude with height and reach and weighed over 200, and one of the few who stopped Hank Griffin. So too was Sandy Ferguson a large man over 200 pounds who could punch. Jeannette was no slouch of a puncher either. Nor Lang or Flynn. Even Burns had a solid punch, as did Ketchel and Kaufman and probably even an old Jeffries. Johnson fought plenty of punchers. So either he had at least a solid chin, or he just had phenomenal defense. Argue away.

 

You're full of hot air ... you say you offer an olive branch but in the same passage post sarcastic icons .. you cannot respond to a direct question without trying to divert to other topics. You obviously have too much free time on your hands Old Boy ( as do most self proclaimed highly successful, part time exterminators) , write about the same crap over and over, duck the hard questions by responding with personal attacks and frankly you're boring... other than that it's always a pleasure to hear from you ... How's Bugs ? ( Get the pun? )

 

There's little argument ... McVey was a novice when he fought a much more experienced Johnson who had at least twice as many fights against far better opposition.

Johnson was known for his low punch output and defensive minded style .. he did fight many good punchers. He was simply a master of his trade. Roy Jones went fifteen years before his skills faded and his chin was exposed. When Ali's skills deteriorated we learned he had an exceptional chin ... it all comes out in the wash ... what we do know is that he was flattened by Choynski, stopped by Klondike, floored by Ketchel, badly hurt by Smith, badly hurt by Johnson, flattened by Willard by one of the only shots Jeff landed on his face flush in 26 rounds and under no circumstances wanted to give Sam Langford a shot at the title. To me is says Johnson was very smart. He used his talents to hide his weaknesses. I'm sure in his prime he defeats many great fighters as the sum of his parts made for a difficult, frustrating match up ... however, like a Lennox Lewis, he was one of those guys who was a solid shot away from defeat.

 

Lewis was never one lightheavyweight shot away from defeat. Otherwise, I agree with your assessment.

 

Adam I'm sure I read an account where Choynski said he feinted, then landed a big left hook, whichever hand it was that did the damage, Jack got the message

I am now bracing myself for the Johnson haters to come out of the woodwork with the old refrain ,Johnson was knocked cold by a super middle, therefore he must have had a weak chin.atsch
Thanks for the info:good

 

I notice you have dropped the," Adam says," preface after his last post.:rofl Now the fan is arguing with his hero.
I just eat this up with a spoon.:happy

 

Why dont you concentrate on addressing my rebuttals to your argument that Johnson had a weak chin.

The Hart link after reading ,tell me how many rounds Hart won?

Battle at Conclusion of
Twenty Rounds.
San Francisco, March 29.— Marvin
Hart will have the chance of meeting
James J. Jeffries- for the heavyweight
championship next summer. The rugged
Louisville fighter secured the decision-
over Jack- Johnson, the negro
heavyweight, in a 20-round' bout at
Woodward's Pavilion last night, but
neither pugilist showed any championship
form. Hart was the worst punished
of the two, and had the negro fought
a fight which he showed himself at
times capable of he should have won
handily. Referee Greggatns gave the
decision to Hart because of his gameness
and' aggressiveness. The spectators
were of the opinion that Johnson
was suffering from a streak of
bright yellow.- Whenever he did fight.
he made Hart look like an amateur.
The Louisville man's aggressiveness
seemed to rattle Johnson and his courage
would ooze. There was not a knock-
- down In the whole flght. and with the
exception of the ninth round there was
little of pugilistic moment. The last
ten rounds resembled each other, Johnson
pegged away with straight lefts
and rights, which cut Hart's face, while
the Kentucky colonel walloped away
with right swings to the body and head


After the first few
rounds Johnson let Hart do most of
the leading, except in the ninth round,
when with 'lefts and rights the negro
- punilshed Hart badly.
Johnson showed the best form in the
first round and landed several hard
rights on the body in the clinches. He
also drove a couple of swings home on
Hart's head. The second round was
more, lively, with Johnson showing the
best form. He smashed Hart's kidneys,
which caused the Louisville man to
gasp. Jdhnsnn landed left and eight
hooks to the jaw as the round closed.
Hart put two hard right-lefts to the heart
during the round.
Hart was aggressive in the third
round, but was unable to land any effective
Wows. Johnson kept away and
apparently did not extend himself.
The men worked into several clinchesin
the forth round and there were one
or two hot exchanges, but without
any damage.
Hart tried to work in close during the
fifth round, but Johnson blocked his
leads.
The sixth round started like a real
prize fight. Hart rushed, but Johnson
put him back with a straight left and
followed it with another, which was
the hardest blow struck during the
flght. They came into clinches, Hart
trying to get in close.
Round seven was Johnson's. He
hooked his left to Hart's jaw repeat-
edly'and as the round closed he snapped
two rights to the jaw.
The eighth and ninth rounds were
lively and Johnson's admirers thought
that the negro would surely do the
trick,His boxing superiority and
strength were evident. He did, some
qulck two-hand punching and Hart bled
freely.


Hart was still aggressive and
sought to land some hard blows in the
clinches, but got several hard wallops
for his trouble.
Johnson jammed him In the corner in
the tenth round. There were some good
exchanges in the eleventh round and
Hart was still eager and game.
The negro slowed visibly in the next
three rounds and seemed perturbed at
the way Hart was assimilating punishment.
The bourbon kept wading in
and ln the fifteenth and sixteenth
rounds drove Johnson around the ring
with fierce swings to the head and
body.
Johnson showed better form in the
seventeenth round and. hammered his
opponent hard and often. Hart was
tlred at the close.
Hart was the aggressor in the last
three rounds and Kept piling in with
hard-rights to the body. Johnson acted
as though he was tired and his seconds
kept calling him to hit It up. Hart
made a target of the negro's ribs. The
fight closed with little doing and the
referee, because of Hart's aggressiveness,
gave him the decision.

Matt Donnellon kindly posted this on CBZ and ,guess what? You posted directly below it.

 

Not from you, God forbid!
You told me? I allready knew, and I know why which you do not.
Klondike did not ko Johnson btw.

Do you really think Johnson needed Delaney's advice on how to beat Jeffries?