Jack Johnson vs. Kenny Norton

Hahaha... so you are telling me that defending Tommy Burns' heavyweight attack is equivalent to defending Liston's or Frazier's or Foreman's?

Don't invest the mortgage in that one, brah.

 

Norton

 

Jack Johnson

 

You've hit the nail on the head,Seamus. I concur.

 

I think that Norton would be ineffective at long range as Johnson would pick off Ken's somewhat telegraphed punches. In close, it would be completely one-sided as Jack would repeatedly tie him up and punish him with uppercuts. Norton's habit of dragging his right foot would also hinder Ken's efforts.

 

who has the handspeed advantage? i'm not sure.

attached thumbs damage johnsons inside game imo.

norton pts is a guess more than a pick.

 

Johnson ko'd the best jabber of his time Denver Ed Martin .Martin was out for about 20 minutes.Martin was 6' 3.5" with an 82" reach.
I'm a big Ali fan but his defence was his mobility and reflexes,not technique. I wouldn't be surprised if Johnson was stronger than Norton, no one ever managed to out muscle him,and they weren't all 5'7" Burns types either

 

yeah, I personally don't see Norton outmuscling Johnson

 

No Willard simply out -lasted him, Johnson took the fight to Willard because he knew he didn't have a hope in hell of staying 45rds with the giant. Martin was considered the best jabber of his generation Se**** asked if Johnson ever faced and dealt with an 81 in reach jabber Martin's reach was 82" and he was half an inch taller than Norton.Reading about him he was Ruhlin's choice for a spar mate and Adam's books speculate that his colour held him back because he had as much talent as Ruhlin.

 

Norton would be the bigger stronger man, neutralizing Johnson's holding techniques. I think Ken wins this.

 

I simply don't think Ken would be stronger though, and certainly not functionally stronger. Johnson was much more adept at clinching and wrestling because of the time period he fought. It's what he did and was the best at it. Functionally, he'd be Norton's superior in this area, regardless of who could bench more.

 

O Brien finished the fight with Johnson with a cut eye and having been floored ,Johnson was unmarked . Martin never fought Jeffries although he challenged him several times. Adam could find nothing to say this mythical fight ever occurred. Martin also sparred regularly with Fitz.The reason Norton had success with his jab against Ali is apparent to anyone who watches their fights. Do you know what it was?

I see you have now amended the black eye you originally said Johnson received against Ketchel which was unintentionally hilarious!
Of course you claim Johnson was groggy after the punch yet he kod Ketchel immediately strange that?

Johnson man handled lots of big guys such as Kaufman who Langford refused to fight.Jack lost to Willard because he was old past it, and out of shape from years of dissipation.
Jim Jeffries said O Brien was capable of making anyone look bad for 6 rounds.As the O Brien's weight we don't know what it was because neither he or Johnson weighed in .
Ringsiders said Johnson was soft around the midsection and had not trained seriously for the contest, again Adam has primary sourced quotes on all this stuff.
In closing it' s not worth while trying to have a serious debate with you, because your hate unhinges your objectivity and you make stupid assertions.
In essence same sh*t different day.
Glass Joe? I told you to put the hood on the other way round ,eye holes at the front!

NB I have to wonder about your claims to have seen the Martin v Ruhlin spar because it was a live chicken not a rubber one.:think
Another Hague v Langford film?

 

Futch trained Norton to parry or catch Ali's jab with his right glove and then counter with his own jab. Worked well most of the time. This technique was one used by Johnson to great effect.