Jack Johnson vs. Kovalev and Tua

Kovalev is not beating Johnson.

The question is, would Johnson be comfy enough to taunt and smile?

 

The bald truth is both Choynski and Johnson were estimated to weigh around the super middle mark for their fight.

The bald truth is there was no decision rendered in the Johnson v O Brien no decision 6 rounder.

The bald truth is neither Johnson nor O Brien weighed in for their fight and reporters ringside estimated O Brien weighed 172lbs plus.

The bald truth is Johnson fought many men taller and heavier than himself ,unlike Jeffries who never did.

You and the truth remain total strangers ,whether it be bald or hirsute. Truth is not a word you should ever use ,it fits you about as much as describing racially tolerant fit Hitler.


Come to think of it, that description doesn't fit you either!:-(

THE LIES KEEP COMING

 

Dude, you're comparing Joe Choynski to Kovalev. Joe knocking Johnson out has little to do with Kovalev knocking him out. Choynski is one of the hardest punchers in history.

Johnsons resume is more bumpy than Kovalev, because matchmaking was completely different back then. Kovalev wouldn't go through Johnsons resume unscathed lets be realistic. Easier to have a nice record when you're not fighting Joe Jeanette and Sam Langford in the same month.

Johnson was a master controller of fights. He made great boxers look very bad. It is very very difficult to make very good boxers look bad. It takes a boxing genius to make people like Tommy Burns and Jeffries look utterly harmless. And supposedly he had the same effect in many of his unfilmed bouts.

Everyone has a chance in boxing, right? But if you want my honest, human answer; Kovalev wouldn't stand a chance.

It would be obvious shortly into the first round when you see Kovalev exerting full energy at a seemingly unmovable smiling wall. Johnson will confuse the heck out of him with his blocking, clinching, and punching angles.

No match.


Put Ali or Louis against Johnson, and now we have a fight.

 

You gave Box rec as your source .It is a known fact that neither participant weighed in for their fight and both gave their own versions of what they weighed. you cannot get around this fact , no matter what you try.
Johnson was in there with a bigger jabber when he fought Denver Ed Martin who was around 6.4" and possessed the best jab of his generation, 84".

The reports of the O Brien fight state that Johnson took O Brien's punches without any reaction ,knocked him down, cut and bruised him about the eyes, whilst remaining unmarked himself .
The local papers[the fight was in Philadelphia,OBrien's hometown,] stated Johnson was palpably out of condition and the result indicated there would be no demand for a rematch.They knew an in shape Johnson, over a longer distance would be too much for O Brien.

It's all in Pollack's book ,but you won't read it,and we both know why!
Now run along you're boring me:hi:

 

One of the hardest punchers in history was a MW/SMW (without cutting weight)? Fairy tales die hard.

 

We have the endorsements of the following.
Tom Sharkey
Jack Johnson
Bob Fitzsimmons
Jim Corbett
Jim Jeffries

That's 4 heavyweight world champions ,and one top heavyweight contender.
All stated that Choynski was the hardest hitter they faced.
Were they all lying?
If so why?

 

Might well have been hardest hitter they faced (in which case it's kind of surprising that he finished his career with barely a 50% ko rate and didn't have more early kos against quality opponents). Doesn't make him one of the hardest hitters of all time though-- just of his time. I'd bet dollars to donuts that they'd be singing similar praises of Kovalev if they walked into one of his straight rights.

 

I haven't been hit by either so I couldn't say.Im just giving you 5 unsolicited endorsements from heavyweights that stated categorically that Choynski was the hardest hitter they ever met.

 

Who were these great boxers? Please to name them. How many did he have a significant size advantage over? He certainly made limited, smaller guys like Ketchel and Burns look bad. He didn't make Hart or O'Brien look too bad.

You have absolutely no ****ysis to back up your contention here. You are arguing solely from an emotional standpoint. The Johnson name and aura has been so emblazoned in your mind that rational ****ysis of his career has been thrown out the window. The reality is that Kovalev would have been among the very best challengers Johnson had faced. He would have fit right in there in terms of size. He demonstrates another level of skill on film to what we have from the vast majority of Johnson's contemporaries. This is an excellent match-up, one in which Johnson can be favored but not by a landslide.

 

"Joe was one of the hardest hitters in the ring. Four years before I met him, Joe, who helped me later to train, dropped Bob Fitzsimmons on his back in their Boston battle and drew in five rounds with Bob. Fitz later told me that nobody ever hit him as hard as he was hit by Choynski and I could believe him, judging by what I got. I can say the same. I often wondered how men like Fitz and Joe got their terrific punch. When I fought Choynski the weights were announced as 167 for Joe and 219 for me. Joe at his best was only a light light-heavyweight, yet could punch harder than most heavyweights. Every one who fought him, including Jim Corbett, said the same of Choynski as a hitter. And he was as clever as they came. He had everything a great fighter could possess."

Jim Jeffries ,on his 75th birthday being interviewed by Nat Fleischer.

Documented quotes from Jack Johnson and Jim Corbett.


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It is pretty obvious that Choynski was an absurdly hard puncher, in a pound for pound sense.

Is there anybody who didn’t name him as the hardest puncher they faced?

 

It is pretty obvious that Kovalev is an absurdly hard puncher, also.

He also is a special boxer. His sense of range, punch selection and strategy is something else.