Jack Johnson vs. Kovalev and Tua

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tell me Seamus, who do you pick to win these fights and why?
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Given time to adjust to the modern game, I think Johnson beats Kovalev.

    Given time to adjust to the modern game, I think Tua decapitates a Johnson who is leading on the cards.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    This is all true, but he hasn't faced 4 heavyweight champions.
    Who are his best opponents so far?
    Pascal who was beaten by Froch?
    Or a 50 years old Hopkins?

    Hardly legendary.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The crucial difference is, that the people making these claims about Choynski, were fighting heavyweights.

    Jack Johnson had fought McVea, Jeffries, and Willard.

    So they were all feather fisted for their weight right?

    Jeffries and McVea both had their punching power measured, by the equipment of the era, and they both compared favourably to Frank Bruno.

    Puts the cat among the pigeons!
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He has faced champions who weighed as much or more than 3 of those 4 weighed.

    If the heavyweight contenders of today were mostly in the 180-190 pound range, I'm sure that Kovalev would be fighting in that division.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Lets be frank, Kovelev hasn't even established himself as the best LHvy out there.His competition has been pretty dire.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He is an unfinished work.

    I would pick Pascal over Burns, tho.
     
  8. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Just because two great boxers enter a ring, doesn't mean you can't see a one sided outcome. If Foreman Frazier never happened, we couldn't say that Foreman would KO him in 2?

    Or, would I have to say that Frazier gives him a hell of a fight, to "back up my contention."


    Back to Earth, we're talking about Jack Johnson here. One of the greatest of all time. Earning that status for good reason.

    In his prime, Kovalev can't touch him.
     
  9. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    lol
     
  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Why "lol"?
     
  11. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Because I think it's a funny pick.

    Burns would disgrace him with heart alone. Forget about power, speed, footwork, and punching.
     
  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    "Disgrace him with heart alone"? What does that even mean?
     
  13. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Basically that Pascal would get clobbered.
     
  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I inferred as much but I didn't understand the terminology-- is that some kind of fanboy dialect? :D

    Quick: which Pascal fights have you watched and what weaknesses do you see that lead you to believe that he gets dominated by Burns? (no google :nono)
     
  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Dude, you are heading to delusional territory. Show your trainer Burns footage and ask him how Sergey would so against that two shoot artist.