Jack Johnson vs Muhammad Ali, 1910

Foxy you need to start following another sport as you have no idea what you are talking about regarding past great fighters. Chuvalo resembled in some ways Jeffries but a Jeffries without skill. Johnson was the boxing master.

 

Neither O Brien or Johnson weighed in for their fight, I mentioned this in an earlier post you must have missed it.

I am quoting Adam's sources here, primary sources from contemporary papers of the day.How is that bull ****?

Johnson was in magnificent form at 208lbs for Jeffries, and many said they thought him the best fighter they had seen. Johnson carried no fat at 208lbs look at the fight and the stills from it.

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I don't think Johnson beats Ali but for different reasons than you have proffered, reasons that don't stand up to close scrutiny imo.

 

The day I need advice from anyone, particularly a " Murican " I'll tell them. You are indeed a fool if you seriously believe Jack Johnson is fit to be mentioned in the same paragraph as Ali.

It is tantamount to claiming Sid Vicious was as clever as Sting because both played bass in bands.

I'll go further and tell you straight out I think you are a liar when you claim to have been friends with Dundee and Clancy, because if you were these fantasy fights would have come up, and both would have told you exactly how Ali would have torn Johnson a new *******.

 

Sting.. Clever.. You jest

 

Every post you write you dig a deeper hole. Study up my friend.

 

"I'd rank Ali with Joe Louis and Jack Johnson as the three greatest heavyweights of all time.Maybe I'm prejudiced because I came along with Louis, but I think he would have beaten Ali.
People remember how hard Louis punched ,what they don't remember is what a good boxer he was.
I always thought Joe would have seen the flaws in Ali's style and been able to take advantage of them.
And, being such a great defensive fighter ,Jack Johnson might have beaten Ali too .But Ali was great, ;no doubt about it.
It was a privilege to be in boxing during his time."
Eddie Futch . :deal
I guess Eddie Futch was a fool:think

 

I can see where you are coming from Mac, but I don't see Joe landing enough punches in succession to KO Ali, and I think we both know one shot isn't going to do it.

I see both Joe and JJ being mesmerised by Ali's perpetual circling motion, which wouldn't even allow them to cut the ring off ,because he could plant his lead foot and change direction in less than the blink of an eye, all the while being within range of him hitting you, but you not being able to hit him.

I believe we also agree that in a h2h LL is the only guy with chances to beat Ali. Where we differ is I give Lewis less than no chance against pre exile Ali, but a 50 -50 chance against the post exile version.

 

If in fact I was digging a hole, rest assured you would be the last person I would ask for a shovel, as with the nonsense you write yours must be well worn out.

 

Well I was under the impression that a guy who has been in the industry for over 35 years, and built a fortune of more than $250 million must have some sort of clue about what he is doing, but I will bow to your superior knowledge.

 

Ali beats Johnson ,and everyone else imo.
LL is a stylistic night mare for any heavyweight.:good

 

Totally agree. You have to be prepared to risk getting inside that booming straight right, and even if you do there is a very strong possibility he pulls your head down with the left and smashes the uppercut to your jaw.

And that is aside from his ability with the jab.:good

 

Ali is a completely different type of fighter than the men Johnson feasted on in his day. His unique combination of size, speed, punching accuracy and athleticism are light years from the boxers of the early 1900's. Drop a prime Ali back in Johnson's time and people would be shocked at what they would see. Johnson never fought a fighter like a prime Ali plain and simple. That type of fighter simply didn't exist back then. From the existing films we have of Johnson, he fought fighters who threw 1 punch at a time maybe 2 and the jab was almost non existent. It was an almost different sport back then. Alot of posturing, grappling and waiting to get a good shot in. It was geared more for endurance than for speed, movement and combination punching. That's not a rap on boxing the way it was but it was a different game back then. HWs were generally smaller and slower than later HWs. No less tougher or less conditioned but not the same. The sea of HWs that Ali swam in was deeper and had more dangerous predators in it than Johnson's. No Fraziers, Foremans, Nortons, Shavers, Quarry's, Bugners, Lyles etc...in the early 1900's. Does anyone really think Ali would've had a tough time with the Jeffries that Jack fought...or Jim Flynn....or Tommy Burns and Frank Moran? Johnson himself would be somewhat troublesome for a little while if he fought Ali but he loses nonetheless. Ali has too much of everything for Johnson to overcome....period.

 

The game was different in those days. Ali could not fight the style he fought facing 20, 25 perhaps 45 round distances. He would be a different fighter.

 

Ali wins again. Yippee!

 

I honestly think the young prime Ali could have danced for a 100 rounds.
I don't think Johnson would have got near him and would have been picked off over the stretch and busted up.