Jack Johnson vs Muhammad Ali, 1910

I was under the impression we were talking about the best version of Ali against the best version of Johnson, Mac. Obviously I was mistaken. It makes me wonder if all these people that pick against Ali in these old timer fantasy fights ever saw the guy pre 67.

 

Again this is just nonsense from you, highlighting your total inability to comprehend anything to do with the fight game that hasn't already been written for you to quote.

Tell us about ANY other Heavyweight who got up on their toes and danced for 15 rounds ( if it was necessary ) the way Ali did in his pre exile career.

You can't.

Therefore it is nothing more than hopeless conjecture on your part to say he would be " fighting a different style " in Johnson's day.

The reality is the man was capable of originality, and years ahead of his time. Things that appear to be alien to you.

 

After losing my dough, betting on Liston first time around I wised up. The guy was a revelation so unique that old school boxing writers like Red Smith and Jimmy Cannon dismissed him as, just a show boating runner. I think Dundee gets overated but he said one true thing, Ali had the ability to "float".

I saw Ali give an exhibition against a couple of Brits,Gardner and Awome, he had just beaten Foreman and was fat , but when he let his hands go he made them look like nothing ,and he was 33 years old then! He was a big guy but you didn't realise it because he moved so well.

 

Which is why I put ( when necessary )

The guy could switch from dancing to staying static and back again. That was the most important aspect of his game, because the other guy could never read what he would do next, dance, or stand his ground.

 

If you were born in 47 the same as me, what were you doing in a bookies at such a young age? Aside from doing your dough.

 

Foxy what are you 15 years old? You sound like it. Boxing styles are dictated to a great extent by the rules of the game at the time. If you need to fight 20, 25 or 45 rounds you don't develop a style where energy is wasted. Ali would not be bouncing around the ring if the distance is 25 rounds quite obviously. He would have to pace himself to ensure he can last the distance.

 

Born 48 but started betting on boxing when I was a kid
.My Dad bet on Clay to beat Sonny, got 8/1. I lost £2 on my bet ,but recouped it handsomely over the years.

 

Did you come off a banana boat? Do you even understand the concept of originality, much less possess the capability of creating original thought or action?

Do you think it was compulsory to fight 45 rounds in the 1900's? Did Johnson in fact finish fights in less than the allotted time?

Furthermore only 2 of Johnson's 107 fight total were scheduled for 45 rounds, 1 for 25 rounds, with the rest being scheduled for a maximum 20 rounds.

So now then Einstein see if your maths is any better than the complete lack of knowledge of the subject matter you bullsh it your way through.

Ali came along in an era of 15 round championship fights, that is a whole 5 rounds less than over 100 of Johnson's fights could possibly have been scheduled for at the maximum.

So lets get back to the beginning. If you had even the remotest concept of originality you just might be able to grasp Ali could have easily adapted his elusive style to allow for those 5 extra rounds should they be necessary.

Next time you decide to dig a hole, don't bother with a shovel. Get yourself a JCB or a Caterpillar.

 

Foxy again shows an inability to understand very simple concepts.

 

Firstly my apologies for not knowing Johnson did in fact have 4 fights scheduled for 45 rounds.

Ok, so the first one was 3 years earlier than 1910, and was over in 11. The Jeffries one was over in 15.

So I have another problem.

Johnson was having his 49th fight against Jeffries, and only his 2nd one scheduled for 45 rounds. So where the fukk does this garbage about Ali having to train for 45 rounds come from, or the implication that your fellow Texan could manage such a feat but Ali couldn't? When it should be obvious to any fool that training for marathon fights was not the norm for Johnson.

 

You are just a fool that has been exposed time and again.

You are a complete joke with your half witted claims about Johnson being a 45 round fighter with 4 out of more than 100.

They were all over in a total of 62 rounds including the 26 rounds against the plum Willard. And you probably are pathetic enough to believe a prime Ali couldn't equal or best that.:roll:

Now go away and find some information on Joe Frazier breaking a bone that is thicker than a guitar pick. A chicken bone perhaps? Because your weird attempt at claiming Joe was a monster puncher based on fracturing Chuvalo's orbital floor definitely came up short.

 

I've seen nothing on film that merits this as a good match up for Johnson .. Ali was at least as fast, just as strong, had a cast iron chin, a longer reach and threw far more punches .. I just don't see Johnson maintaining the punch output and offense needed to outpoint Ali ..