Jack Johnson vs Sonny Liston

I wondered when you appear and give false information. Why are you so bad at this? Munroe was 215 pounds Kennedy was likely over 203 pounds. Also, Van Buskirk was 203 pounds.
Jeffries won all three of these fights, easily.

It's one thing to have an agenda. It's another thing to be wrong so often as you are.

You can admit your mistakes if you choose.

 

Well Liston was 215 for both Patterson matches and 218 for Ali. He was 213 for Cleveland Williams in both fights. In shape.

One could say Johnson was 190 pounds for Burns, or an en estimated 185 for Langford.

If both guys re in shape, Liston has a clear weight advantage, but you are correct. There's not a huge differs in weight here, although some might disagree. Liston has an 84" reach. Johnson a 74" reach, there is your mismatch. Sonny was a lower body fat type, his tale of the tape exceeds Johnson in most areas, perhaps not waist.

The reason I pick Liston is skills, power, punch volume, and he can either in fight or out. His defense is much better than Johnson opponents, and Johnson defensively was open.

Key point, when Johnson faced guys who can hit in Choynski, Hart or Willard, men who are not very green or old, he lost these matches, and I'd pick Liston to beat all three of these guys.

 

Lmao cherry picking weights. Liston was past his prime against Ali and Patterson and overweight,specially against Ali. I could say that Johnson weighed 225 pounds against willard and had the stamina to make more than 15 rounds and he was old(he made 26 rounds).Like i told you. He was in his prime around 208 / 209-212 pounds

 

I just watched round one, there are few punches being throw by Johnson. His style was he didn't like to be hit, defense first. To say he would adjust his pace in shorter match doesn't match news write ups of shorter fighter where he was booed for lack of action. Liston gives no quarter, you cannot breeze through rounds vs him.

Johnson's guard is low and his feet were often stationary. This is target practice for anyone with a decent left jab, which Moran didn't have. Johnson was in fact out jabbed by a shorter man giving up 40 pounds in Jack O'Brien. It happened, can you tell me why?

I wouldn't use the word schooled Moran with his left if he only landed it 2 times in a round.

I think Johnson won the fight, but Moran won some rounds, and many of the rounds are even.

Johnson could hit? Vs whom, middle weights. Okay he could hit there. He didn't stop many men over 185 pounds in their prime. Check his record you'll see. Even there really mediocre to bad one. Johnson wasn't a puncher.

If you want to see where Moran did well, there's enough footage below. I'm not watching it all right now, but ESPN often mentions who won rounds not shown.

 

You were the one cherry picking weights. I gave you some prime weights for Liston in key fights. Was Liston past his prime for Williams when he weighted 213 pounds? Or how about Folley when he was 213 pounds? No he was not.

Johnson fans often say he wasn't in shape, so the extra weight you adding won't do you any favors. Liston is the bigger man here, that's my point.

 

I don't really like comparing fighters from eras so far apart. Boxing was an evolving skill and it evolved after Johnson. Liston would win but if they were in the same era he might not.

 

lol

 

prime weights of Liston lmao. Liston in his prime against Ali. He was not in his prime even in the rematch with Patterson in 1963. Sonny Liston was in his prime since 1958 until 1961.his peak in 1960 in the Williams rematch where he weighed 212 pounds

 

laughed out loud when I read it

 

I wouldn't bet on Willard lasting past the 4th against any version of Liston. Willard himself was no spring chicken and a part time boxer with a penchant for announcing his retirement.

 

I am wondering if anyone else agrees that Tommy Burns had equivalent size and speed and skill to Roy Jones.

Is sheer lunacy a requirement for fabricating Johnson's chances here?

 

Liston by early KO...he’d overwhelm him like he’s never been over whelmed before.