Jack Johnson vs Stanley Ketchel - Legit?

Its real imo. I watched it a few times and it just looks too real to be faked. Ketchel is trying to take Johnson's head off every second lol.

 

this is going to create some controversy, i think.

my recollection is that Johnson toyed with ketchell the whole fight and did prolong things. Johnson, for what it is worth, agrees with this and he says he did take a dive when Stanley through his punch, to add to sales and excitement. He says Stanley knew nohing about it, and he thought he was on the verge of a win, got excited and left himself open and got nailed.

I do tend to believe this version as it makes the most sense.

 

I agree,I don't think Johnson is trying to do the same to Stan though.

 

To me Johnson is toying with Ketchel.

Gunboat Smith in an interview I believe in 1970 stated the bout was fake. He was a sparring partner for both fighters FOR THIS BOUT traveling back and forth between the respective camps. Smith was also at ringside for the bout.

You don't see Johnson ducking punches. It's mostly blocking with Johnson and he was a master at it.

 

If it was a fix Stan didnt receive the memo. Stan seemed to be trying and Clutch n grab stalling, for the camera's I guess, cos there was no reason to prolong Stan's agony. Up until Stan messed up and hit Johnson. C&G was angry when he got up and showed what he could've done at almost any point in that "fight".

 

Sure its legit. Johnson was marked up, Ketchel cut up. Hardly the sign of a fix. The story of the fix came after Ketchel's death, and Johnson was a known liar about a few things in boxing. So why believe him>

Funny, the biggest Johnson fans say it was " pre-aragned " to save face from the knockdown, but Johnson also toys with 5'7" Tommy Burns, and that one wasn't fixed. And he did the same to the 5'9" Flynn.

 

How do you account for Johnson picking Ketchel up twice during the fight?

 

Johnson was in for a% of the movie rights the idea being to make it more exciting . Ketchel was trying his hardest Johnson was under wraps

 

IMO Johnson simply carried ketchell for whatever reason til Ketchell got frisky. That's what plays out in the KD-KO sequence. Johnson was PO'd when he got up and that is very apparent. This theory that Johnson was play acting for the films cos of his % is silly and if it's based on the KD-KO sequence is sillier.

 

Mendoza, The story of the fix came after Ketchel's death, and Johnson was a known liar about a few things in boxing. So why believe him

Exactly.

 

No, he was play acting isnt it obvious lol Really how this theory by present day "historians" who should know better cos they have access to the enhanced clips, and more information. They continue with this theory of the fight, and especially the KD-KO sequence.
Yep, according to them, Johnson, felt he put in enough rds for the films, and decided the right moment had arrived. Johnson chose the right moment to make it look good to get knocked down and then dramatically get up and score a sensational KO with his first punch after getting up. It's all in a script, found after diligent search by present day "historians", also found was an interview with Johnson's wife's friend, confirming that it was all true.

 

The story of the fix ,a fix in which Ketchel was doing his best ,whilst Johnson was boxing under wraps, came out the week after the fight,and is mentioned and discussed in many contemporary newspapers,that are available to read for anyone who has sufficient interest to educate themselves on the subject instead of just trying to score pathetic points.But hey ho , who GAF?

 

I'd like to read that, can you post a story of a fix with details shortly after the fight? Keep in mind there is NO Proof it was a fix. The story flames up after Ketchel's death.

Also, if Johnson agreed to a pre-arranged fight, which others were also pre--arranged? This taints his legacy and should stick with him as it did for say Primo Carrera, who you often mention was in fixed fights.