Jack Johnson vs Stanley Ketchel - Legit?

Yes, he gets hit, rolls over, braces himself to get up, delivers a KO blow off balances ( when Johnson is usually on balance, a sign he was buzzed ) , then Ketchel falls. Johnson is so dazed he's resting on the ropes.

Primary news says Johnson was buzzed after the fight was halted, and he had a visible mark on his face from one of the few time Ketchel landed something solid.

The knock down hits Johnson on on the top area of his head, which can produce similar results.

 

How can anyone say that it doesnt look like either fighter is holding anything back when Johnson literally catches Ketchel TWICE after dropping him, hoists him back onto his feet and then does not try to finish him. After the first knockdown Johnson backs off and doesnt try to do anything. Obviously he carried Ketchel, literally and figuratively.

 

Fake in my opinion

 

A studied person stating the obvious, and leaving out things that factor in. Nobody but Ketchell and his crew thought Stan had a shot. That Johnson carried Ketchell shouldnt be news to someone who has access to the internet. A studied person would see the size difference, the skill difference and factor that in. Stan, was at least trying. That Johnson could've finished the fight whenever he wanted to and that was shown after a PO'd Johnson got up and knock him out.

 

Johnson knocks Ketchel down in the 2rd for a count of 6,when Ketchel got up Johnson clinched and made no attempt to finish him. In the 4th rd Johnson picked up Ketchel and carried him 5 feet to the center of the ring.Johnson dropped Ketchel again in the 6th rd but made no attempt to go after him instead he back pedalled for the rest of the round .Inthe8th rd ketchel his fase covere dwith blood coming formhis nose swung wildly at Johnon, missed by several feet and went into the ropes,Johnson instead of taking advantage of this, stepped back and grinned at him.
In the 10th rd Johnson opened up a bit,a series of short punches had Ketchel heading for the floor,but Johnson grabbed him,held him up and swung him around into a standing position ,preventing him from going down. at theend of the round Johnson patted Ketchel on the shoulder.The Examiner said"Ketchel was badly whipped in this round.Up to this point it seemed Johnson was under a wrap.Asked before the fight for a prediction Johnson said I will win before the15th round.

 

Johnson agreed with Willus Brit, Ketchel's manger, to take it easy on Ketchel, Ketchel did his best. In essence he carried Ketchel. If you want to read the details, buy Adams book, just like I did ! There is no proof all Carnera's fights were not on the level ,do you think they were?LOL
As far as I am concerned the ringside reports of the fight and the film itself show Johnson taking it easy on Ketchel and twice lifting him up and setting him back on his feet.That is enough or me to say he was carrying Ketchel.You of course have your hate agenda to promote so no one is going to take seriously anything you say on the subject of Jack Johnson

 

DUH. Let's not confuse Johnson safety first style, a FACT which debunks your lame interpretation that he is carrying people.

Johnson was a di@k in the ring, he liked to mock the tired, much smaller, and overmatched. It's simply who he was, and he did the same vs the African American fighters of the day too.

Johnson looks like he's carrying Burns and Flynn too? Were these also fixes?

Johnson is seldom aggressive on film. It's just his style, which to quote you " makes my **** boil "

Stop giving him bl@wjobs to make him look better. Everyone knows your agenda, and I asked for PROOF the fight was fixed, which you have yet to provide.

 

Right, if it was fixed for the movies to sell better, Ketchel would have had more moments. Only logical.

The fight itself was very boring until the final moments.

 

LOL- I believe he carried Ketchell so that he could show off his great acting ability in the KD-KO sequence. Johnson's friends, friend told of his practicing the KD with the fumbling then dramatically getting up and sensationally kayo Ketchell. Johnson had his eye on the future, and the future was films.

 

Right, if it was fixed for the movies to sell better, Ketchel would have had more moments. Only logical.

The fight itself was very boring until the final moments.

That's logical it was boring, you know what? All of Jack "Clutch n Grab" Johnson's were boring. I am sure people lined up around the block to view his fights in theaters. You know the word of mouth had to be great lol

 

Johnson with the conivance of Willus Britt , Ketchel's manager agreed to take it easy on Ketchel.Ketchel was not in on the deal ,he was doing his best. If you want to read contemporary opinions and mentions of the fight being fixed buy Adam Pollack's books on Johnson as I did !
Many fighters have carried opponents
Langford
Ike Williams
Ray Robinson
To name just three, has it tainted there legacy?

There is no proof all of Carnera's fights were not straight,do you think that was the case?LOL