Jack Johnson vs Stanley Ketchel - Legit?

Adam Pollack is my source want to argue with him?

 

Ok guys I have to take a few days off for business but do not despair I will return and be confrontational as ever. If anybody wants to leave a post address to me or one of my comments feel free to post, I will answer or not, IT"S MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT! LOL

 

God didn't make many mistakes, but you're one of them.

 

I havent left yet haha posting behind my back already. Too funny. now who is shadowing who? We will continue dueling posts. And it is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT to post relevant facts, as a famous pysstorian said Ta Ta.

 

Yeah your erudite, objective ,well reasoned arguments terrify and intimidate me .I''ll get all brave when you're gone.
Is it necessary for you to repeat your " Facts" ad nauseum?

You would send an insomniac into a coma.
Ever thought of maybe changing the record?

 

mcvey, Yeah your erudite, objective ,well reasoned arguments terrify and intimidate me .I''ll get all brave when you're gone.
Is it necessary for you to repeat your " Facts" ad nauseum?

Yes cos it takes posting ad nauseum for you to understand and even then you still wont "see".

You would send an insomniac into a coma.
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

Ever thought of maybe changing the record?
Have you?

 

Blah, blah, blah.

Some of Johnson's fans ( Mcvey, McVey, and Perry ) will go to lengths to excuse the fact he was KO'd by a super middle, out boxed by another in a 6 round afford according to some primary sources, and floored by a third...claiming there was FIX!

This is a man some feel is an all time top 5 heavyweight???

If anything remotely close to that happened to Liston, Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Bowe, Lewis, Kltischko....they would be ripped.

Yet, they know Willard wasn't a fix, so why believe Johnson in the Ketchel fight? And if he was in a fix, what other fights were fixed for Johnson?

Then he lost to Hank Griffin who was past his prime in 1901. In fact, he failed to beat Griffin in three fights.

And he lost to Marvin Hart, by being out worked the 2nd half of the fight.

And he quit according to two books on him vs Klondike, then later in his career.

Yeah, could be dirty too, with low blows, or hitting on the break.

He was TKO'd as the champion in a 4 round exhibition vs. GunBoat Smith in 1909, who beat many of this title opponents, yet never himself received a title match.

As champion, he never fought Langford, Jeannette, or Mcvey when they were in their prime from 1909-1914. And he pulled out of a signed contract ( for shame ) to fight Langford. Big time offers were in the paper by known promoters. There's always an excuse as to why it did not happen.

Some ringside people felt he was tiring vs Fireman Flynn, a mediocre guy for a title defense at best.

He was hurt by a bad white hope in Tony Ross...by the only sold punch he landed in the 6 round affair as Champion.

And he drew with Jim Battling Johnson in a title fight, not receiving one vote as the winner, though Battling Jim did. There was no re-match! The French tried to strip Johnson of his title.

Oh sure, he did beat the tar out of tiny Tommy Burns, 5'7" tall with who weighed an estimated 168 pounds. That was his best win! This time he blasted his " super middleweight " opponent: ).

Sorry- Beating Langford at an estimated age of 20 years old, at an estimated weight of 156 pounds, while he was in his 180's, with more years experience means a cruiserweight beat a very young jr. middle. Let's call it as it was.

Sam Mcvey was a teenager for 2 matches with Johnson and only 20 for his last.

Jeannette had a losing record and had only won 10 of 21 fights by his last fight with Johnson, yet at times was competitive with him.

Let's stick to the FACTS. McVey can't dispute any of the above. But he can regulate quotes from books and act as if it changes things.

I guess if that's how he wants to spend his day, let him. We are not forced to read it.

 

I've provided primary sourced reports that Johnson agreed to fight Langford,Jeannette,and Mcvey and why those fights never happened I'm not going to do so yet again and again .

You provided zero to back up your statements.
Same as you provided zero when I asked for primary sourced proof that Johnson was offered big money to fight those mentioned but refused .
I challenged you several times to produce them, you never did and you won't now.

Same goes for the Klondike fight. I gave three primary sources stating that Johnson did not quit and was not floored, the fight was stopped by the police!
Johnson was 45 and 50 years old when he retired in two fights, in one of which he was carrying an arm injury.
How old was your hero Vitali when he quit in a fight he was winning?lol

Johnson was a novice in1901.

Johnson was butted twice in fights by Jeannette,back handed by Moran and hit low by Ferguson multiple times.Flynn did both multiple times Johnson did not reply in kind.
In the Flynn fight Johnson won every round and it was the referee's published opinion ,published in all the papers and by me on here, that Flynn deliberately fouled out to save himself from a ko.

In 78 fights Johnson was dsq'd ONCE, on a debatable foul, in a fight he was winning.

We have been over the Johnson v Smith spar at least 20 times .
After their spar Johnson sparred 2rounds with Bob Armstrong,2 rounds with Joe Lanum,and 2 rds withJoe Lanum. TKO MY ARSE!
There are no decisions rendered in sparring, if there were Toxie Hall would have a ko victory over Rocky Marciano and both Travis Walker and Raphael Butler would have tko wins over Vitali Klitschko!

Keep doing this, I just love it when a bigoted piece of excrement such as yourself exposes his hatred so publicly.
Its a real tonic!'

 

If your b()llS&it was electricity, you'd be a power plant.

Johnson a novice in 1901? Hahahaha, he was fighting since 1894! You can't he that stupid... 6-7 years in the game is NOT a novice. Like I said I laugh at your false statements and over all lack of understanding.

You did not disprove anything I wrote!!!

Two books says Johnson QUIT vs Klondike, and he also quit later in his career. Adam Pollack listed four news sources when I asked and they all contracted each other! He picked the best one for his book, did he also list the other three? If not, do you see a problem? Not likely!

Yes Johnson was DQ'd for low blows. Most fighters even ones who hit on breaks, or go low as Johnson did in several fights are not DQ'd. You point here means nothing. The Physician confirmed Jeannette was hit low, that is not debatable.

 

Johnson was a super middleweight in 1901. Show us the books that say Johnson quit,I've produced 4 statements that he didn't, all from Pollacks book!He listed all the reports and I have the book!
Lets face it ,who gives a f*ck what you say concerning Johnson ? Nobody gives it any credence.

 

Not sure how anybody could think this fight was totally on the level with what transpired. Johnson LITERALLY carried Ketchel from losing the fight. He prolongs the fight. It's visually evident, and therefore we can conclusively say this fight wasn't fought totally on the level. This isn't a situation where somebody just fights badly or uses a wrong strategy. Johnson literally is carrying his foe instead of finishing him.