Jack Johnson vs. VitKlit under old tyme conditions

you have so many idiots out that think just because the dominate today that would stand a chance against the greats. he would be fight JACK not KEVIN johnson. even the kingpin had it right . . . they are robotic and predictable . . . but he did not have the skill to take advantage of VK's mistake!

 

Stylisitic wise it would be a very boring fight.

Vitali would paw with his jab and Johnson would hide behind his. Both would be waiting for the other one to make a mistake first. I think it is more likely that Johnson impatiently budges first before Vitali does and that would of cost him huge he would then be playing catch-up and end up digging himself in a deeper hole.

 

Dude, seriously, what the **** are you talking about. Johnson was the most defensively minded heavyweight fighter of all time.... He could parry and catch vits jabs for more than 12 rounds with relative ease.. If this fight is a contest between patient, caution first boxers... then johnson takes it.

 

Are we talking Jack Johnosn before or after he became champion?

 

No doubt he began to languish at a certain point in his reign. He got slower, which killed his pretty complex defense for the time. I'm assuming this is prime Johnson.

 

What are you talking about did you even read my post? Or are you just upset and trying to put words in my mouth just because I picked Vitali over Johnson.

Im not arguing that Johnson couldnt parry Vitali's jabs for 12 rounds or more, Im arguing that both fighters would be very tentative hence why style wise it makes for a lousy fight until someone makes a mistake, they both would be jabbing until somone goes in first.
Johnson wasnt always 100% mentally focused in all of his fights, whereas Vitali has which is why its more likely that Johnson pushes first. Ketchel knocked Johnson on his ass you think a 250lb Vitali couldnt do worse?

 

How do you think Vitali's face would hold up against JJ's jabs and counters?

And why do you think Vitali would be able to land anything when he has inferior speed and footwork, whilst JJ has an exceptional defence?


Stylistically I think this is a nightmare for Vitali

 

Johnson's jabs were always on his backfoot, Vitali wouldnt be eating them unless he was the one who pressed the fight. Both are tentative fighters but Johnson has shown to have less patience than Vitali has. Vitali's weakness is a left hook upstairs with a lot pressure(Joe Frazier fits perfectly for this) which makes it difficult for Johnson since he is so defensive. Whereas Johnson's weakness is the overhand right (one of Vitali's best punches) since Johnson keeps his left so low.

Style wise its a crap fight that favors Vitali IMHO.

 

:huh Vitali would be pressing the fight. Thats how he fights, and thats how JJ fights (on the back foot [generally]).

What do you mean Johnson has show to have less patience than Vitali? What are you're evidence for this? I'd say Johnson is extremely patient.

Also, how is Vitali going to land when he's up against a quick defensive fighter who is going to see his punches coming and either spoil or counter?

The only advantage Vitali has is his power and size. Not enough against someone who isn't small, isn't weak and has every other advantage

 

Ya'll are seriously exaggerating Jack Johnson's defense now. THe guy had great defense but hes not Pernel Whitaker.

Much much lesser fighters than Vitali have landed and landed flush on Johnson.

 

Johnson is a very good defensive fighter and is quick. Vitali is predictable, moves forward pretty much the whole time and doesn't have speed.

This is just about all we should need to know to be able to predict the winner

 

Who would you compare his speed to?

 

So is Johnson, he fights only one way no matter how big or small you are.
Vitali wouldnt be as reckless moving in as you are making it seem and his right hand is more likely to reach Johnson first than Johnson's jab to Vitali due to JJ's poor stance and height disadvantage. Oh and you may want to give a long pep talk to Judah right before the Baldomir fight of how a quick defensive fighter beats a predictable,come forward fighter without any speed all the time.

 

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When I say predictability, I'm referring to punch selection. Vitali doesn't throw many punches other than the jab, right hand and left hook. For a defensive fighter with good speed and reactions, Vitali's style would work against him.

I'm not saying Vitali would be reckless at all. Vitali would be Vitali. Im saying hand speed and foot speed are the most useful tools against him. Foot speed to get out of the way of attacks, hand speed to counter. Klitschko doesnt have the speed to counter and even if he did JJ would have smothered him or put him off balance.

JJ's jab lands first and causes severe damage to Vit, frustrating him. It becomes easier for JJ as the fight goes on. Then its a matter of time.

Zab Judah doesn't have the ring smarts, the ability to implement a game plan or general boxer mentality to fit into this formula. :thumbsup