Jack Johnson would be wrecked by RJJ and you're coping if you think otherwise

BS
The fight was in Philadelphia O Brien's back yard.
Knowing it was 6 round nodecision bout Johnson did not train seriously for itand came in overweight,he was described as," puffing like a walrus as early as the 2nd rd".
The Philadelphia Inquirer, which scored the bout for Johnson, reported: "Three or four times during the mix-ups, O'Brien was roughed to the floor, and once he got tangled in the ropes."

The sports editor of the Philadelphia Inquirer wrote in the May 23 edition: "A half dozen writers, for instance, gave Johnson the credit of having won the bout, but no two of them agreed as to the distance by which he won, and if you read all these accounts you must have come to the conclusion that he won at any distance from a whisker to a city block. And it was the same with the able gentlemen who espoused the O'Brien cause. Some declared that he won all the way, and that but for his willingness to take the initiative there would have been no milling at all, while others gave him the decision solely for the splendid showing he made against such a tremendous physical handicap."

The Stevens Point Daily Journal reported: "Jack Johnson, the big colored heavyweight champion, failed to win over Jack O'Brien, the Philadelphia light heavyweight, in a six-round bout. The fight was even and the consensus of opinion was that it should have been a draw, had a decision been permissible. O'Brien's marvelously fast footwork and his superior blocking saved him from damage in several close mixes, and three times he was forced to his knees by the great strength and weight of Johnson in the clinches. It was a fast fight, O'Brien doing the greater part of the leading. Johnson was slow on his feet, and appeared not to be in the best condition. Repeatedly, the champion rushed his smaller antagonist, but seldom landed effectively. A right-hand counter in the fifth round cut O'Brien's right eye, and this was the sum total of the damage done in the six rounds. Johnson had nothing to say after the bout except that he thought he had the better of it. O'Brien was enthusiastic over his showing. He said he had accepted a proposal to meet Al Kaufman in San Francisco in the near future."
"The opinion of the reporters was that there was no justification for a rematch over a longer distance with Johnson being in better shape".
Jeffries opined that O Brien could make anyone look bad for 6 rds.
O Brien spent the 6rds on the back foot and drew a lot of sympathy for just getting to the finish line . Neither man weighed in. You've been spouting this **** about O Brien winning this 6 rounder for years even though you know it to be untrue .
Get yourself a life outside of hating Jack Johnson,you sad LOON!

 

I've forgotten more about Lil Arthur than you have yet learned.Don't tell me about fighting either, I've done sufficient to know the effects of clinching.
Up against a bigger/ stronger guy you go placid on the inside and let him expend his energy moving you around.

Johnson was very strong, he bent Jeffries arms back and walked him to his corner


Johnson used the clinch to nullify his opponents offence holding them by their biceps then momentarily ripping them with an uppercut.
" defence always beat offence,if its good enough."Johnson.
Longer distance fights necessarily meant slower paced ones.

 

Ketchel did not keep to the agreed script, he was never going to win, even in prefight publicity photos Ketchell wore a padded coat and raised heel boots to hide height/weight differences.

Mr Johnson with the next punch thrown after he hit the deck, tore the script up, removed Ketchell from his consciousness and several of his teeth in the process.

 

He can puch when he want..

JJ is knowing by play/carried/Toy/ beat up his opponent..

Rule at his time play Role with his stlye..
he conserve his Energy to go 45Rounds.

 

No they didn't.

 

Who would have thought, Mendoza picks against Johnson!

You know that trashing Johnson time and time again destroys Jeffries legacy as well? By your logic, when Jeffries came out of retirement he lost to a bum. What does it say about him in the first place?

 

Oh, well that’s that.

 

The film shows Johnson beginning to fall before the punch lands,Johnson picked up Ketchel after knocking him of his feet and steadied him twice.
Mendoza, the Numero Uno Johnson Hater, would have us believe Johnson was so unsteady when he got up he had to hold onto the ropes to support himself.
The film shows Johnson tripping over the prostrate form of Ketchel regaining his equilibrium and lounging nonchalantly on the ropes while Stan is counted out.
Ketchel was out for over 10 minutes.
ps. Johnson was so dazed he knocked Ketchel out with the first punch he threw when he arose.
An unintentionally funny remark from Mendoza was the assertion that Ketchel gave Johnson a "black eye " and that it can be plainly seen on the grainy black and white film! lol
How hatred can distort judgement , objectivity,and common sense!

 

Ketchel fight was a farce, have you seen early rounds when Johnson literally carried him? Johnson could have stopped this fight at any point he wished.

 

I pick who I think wins an unlike most here back it up with additional information such as styles, examples of others who might match based on history, and such. For example if Jack O'brien out jabbed Jack Johnson ( which he did ) , what do you think Roy Jones would do to Johnson?!

Let's think about this for a second. If I wanted to prop Jeffries up, would it not make sense to elevate Johnson as he lost to him? That would be a yes.

I think Jeffries was out of the game for 6 years, ballooned up to over 300 pounds during the process and lost his muscle memory and reflexes at age 35, facing Johnson at his best who hired his old trainer fo the edge. If you watch the first ten rounds on whats left of the film, it's close enough.

You should get it.

 

Johnson according to the press at hand was dazed at the ending. Johnson said his jaw was never so sore and Ketchel could hit, right to the press at hand. Do you think either is a lie? Yedsor no?

Ketchel hardly landed but when he did he produce a big mark earlier and floored Johnson later. A middle weight did this to the heavyweight champion of the world...in his prime. Johnson carried Burns the same, do you think that was a fix? What other Johnson fights were fixed? It's just his defensive grab and holding style mixed in with some punches. Johnson when his opponent was over matched like to play to the crowd. It's just who he was. You should know that.

The story of the fix by the way took off after Ketchel's death.

 

BS, Johnson was not fat. His listed weigh was 205. DUH He just was matched vs someone who could box for a change. How about listing some other sources? I'll help you:

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Face it Mcvey, a past his best middle weight showed Johnson up! This was 6 rounds. Johnson liked to fight his own pace, here he could not and should have had enough to go 6 fast rounds easily! What would Roy Jones who could punch do to Johnson? Also, where is this amazing defense some talk about? Out the window vs a man with skill and speed? Yep.

 

You know that all Johnson had to do was lasting 6 rounds with O'Brien? He knew Jack couldn't hurt him, so he didn't even try to win it. We all know that after winning the title, Johnson basically lost his determination and focus. He tried to get a lot of money, not to add career value.

You should look at his pre-title work, when he dominated Denver Ed Martin who was big, long and had excellent jab himself.