Jack Johnson would be wrecked by RJJ and you're coping if you think otherwise

I haven't seen Johnson preventing Burns from knockdown, which he did against Ketchel.

To point is that Johnson toyed with Ketchel, even if KD was legit it doesn't mean anything. Ketchel was very powerful hitter, he could hurt anybody if he landed cleanly. Johnson didn't look hurt when he got up.

 

Yes you are indeed correct Ketchel put him to the deck.
But the double crosser only did so after allegedly Ketchel did not keep to the agreed plan, that was set up to ensure film makers got enough film time.

Such duplicitous behind your back behaviour can result in you getting shot don't ya know.

Would Johnson have got into such a plan with RJJ, as the weight/height differential would be much less thus making RJJ more a threat.

I wonder after Ketchel regained consciousness and realised he was missing a few teeth, whether he thought i wish i hadn't thrown that right hand.

 

Delusional thread .. Johnson was naturally bigger ( no PED's) so much stronger, so much harder punching, at least equally as smart and lightning fast .. Johnson's speed has become absurdly underrated .. not a good fight for Roy who may have been the best 160 pounder ever, an exceptional 168 pounder and a very good light heavy ..

 

Oh he grabbed Burns just the same, ( Hitting and holding ). He played with his overmatched opponent just the same.

I don't think Ketchel landed cleanly but he did land one the area above the ear which caused the knockdown.

Comparing Ketchel to Burns, Burns had the better skills. Ketchel did hurt Johnson. Johnson rolled over, had to brace himself to get up. Buzzed from he punch he was off balance and fell down again when delivering the KO shot, then got up and rested on the ropes.

The press at hand says Johnson was dazed at the ending and Johnson confirmed he was never so sore to the press. This was no fix, Ketchel took a pounding.

 

He tripped over Ketchel's body!FFS!lol
After flooring ketchel early in the fight Johnson eased off and contented himself with jabbing and clinching for a few rounds.

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What @Mendoza says about the Ketchel fight convinces me Johnson beats Ketchel.

After he gets up from that knockdown he's clearly able to take Ketchel and his jaw out with one clean right hand. I think it's likely he can take Jones out with one shot also.

I was leaning towards Jones but Mendoza has successfully convinced me otherwise.

 

I think it's pretty clear that Johnson took O'Brian absurdly light, didn't train and there it is .. very little use in justifying Johnson's overall ability in his prime by this fight ..

 

I'm sure he will be pleased!

 

He was at a party the night before, and is described as being overweight.

 

I agreed with everything you said except the last part, i would say exceptional 160 pounder and the best 168 pounder ever but not the best at 160.
For the rest of the post i agree with every single word you said.

 

First off thank you .. that aside , interestingly enough Bernard Hopkins said he thought Roy was unbeatable at 160 .. that said it sure is an exceptionally deep division history wise ..

 

The Ketchel fight should never be raised when discussing J Johnson. It was a known fix of a fight, Ketchel was outweighed by at least 40 pounds (170-210 or thereabouts) and Ketchel had to eat three dozen pierogi's to get up even that high.

Johnson was a strong man, did heavy work before boxing full time. He wasn't known as the Galveston Giant for nothing. He fought many men bigger than himself, as well as much smaller men (Langford for one).

RJJ wasn't a HW. He puffed up big time to get to the 193 pounds he weighed on the night of the fight. And he fought the weakest, worst HW "champ" he could dig up.

Many of JJ's fights were boring because he was a counterpuncher content to grab, hold and uppercut his opponent. And he carried many white hopes. I'd say this matchup would be a total snooze fest. RJJ slapping and running, JJ grabbing when he would be able to find RJJ.
It would go all 12, 15 or 25 rounds. Spectators would be found sleeping on their wooden benches. TV (or telegraph) commentators would nod off.

 

Sure he was a force h2h at 160 but in this division we have names like Monzón or Hagler so i don't know.
However at 168 i rate him the number 1 without a doubt.

 

It was agreed pre fight that both boxers would hit in the clinches .Burns ,who was reckoned an excellent infighter, later stated he regretted proposing this because Johnson was so much the stronger man. Johnson carried Ketchel,it's not even debateable ,he picked him up and set him back on his feet at one point.
Please produce ringside press reports of Johnson being dazed after the fight?

 

Ketchel skill level is below that of a toughman. Roy Jones would have the same guy out in 5 rounds or less, and would do it without being marked up or floored. I suppose Johnson owns words won't change your opinion on the fact he was hurt?