Jack Loew's Committment to Amature Boxing and Kids

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  1. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    I'll learn alot more about Y-Town in the coming weeks, but here in Huntington we have a Civic Center, which appears to be just like the Chevy Centre you have. But we also have a smaller, and I'd say cheaper to "rent" Field House. Maybe you guys have something smaller than the Chevy but still big enough to do the ideas you have there?
     
  2. Kolya

    Kolya Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Amateur officials don't get paid anything. All you have to pay is the sanctioning fee to USA Boxing.
     
  3. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    The idea is to start with NO extra expense if possible. I have done stage hand work, but I've never had to tear down a ring and set it up somewhere else either. Really just the concept of start small and see if you can build it if it is on a regular schedule.
     
  4. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    In the aftermath of the Hopkin's fight I was one of the first fans to jump on the "dump Jack Leow" band wagon. When the full information about the elbow injury and the bronchitis came to light, I changed my position. There was nothing Jack or anyone else could do or say to improve Kelly's performance that night. He basically lost this fight as soon as he refused to postpone it.

    For those who think Hopkins would have got the same fighter if Kelly was at 100%, I have to question how many of you have actually competed in any form of combat sports. As a former amature boxer and wrestler, I will tell you, without apology, that even a mild head cold effects your performance. A 10% difference in ability is often the difference between champions and contenders. Why would a 10% reduction in ability be any different in one particular fight? Common sense says it would not.

    We often see camera angles that show a very animated Jack screaming "double the ****ing jab." However, the reason we see that is because an animated trainer yelling at his fighter makes good TV. To assume that we see and hear everything that goes on in the corner is pure foolishness.

    One very valid reason for Jack to scream about the double-jab is this: Not one single combatant has seen more than 8 rounds in a fight where Kelly got the double-jab-right-hand mojo workin'. Does Jack Leow get a bit carried away with insistence on the double jab at times? The answer is yes he does. However, if you ask, does he have valid reasons for pushing KP to produce a working double jab, the answer to that is also yes.

    As a long time Pavlik fan, I cannot count the number of times I've heard and seen Leow get on Kelly's ass about a variety of things. If his work rate starts dropping, Jack is on him to pick up the pace. If Kelly so much as looks like he's letting his hands come down, Leow is on him, "Don't get lazy on me. Keep your ****ing hands up!" The list goes on and on.

    People seem to be forgetting that this is the same trainer that formulated the rather audacious plan to just run over Miranda. He's the same trainer who told Kelly "this is a basic ****in' fight with this kid .... jab-right-hand, simple." That was Pavlik/Taylor I. This is still the same guy who honed Kelly's skills to the point where, in the Taylor rematch, he could go jab for jab with one of the fastest guys around his weight, and ultimately score a UD over the man who beat Hopkins twice.

    Jack Leow raised Kelly from a child to a champion. Miguel Diaz has been with Kelly since his very first pro fight. They are a great team. Fighting Hopkins at 170 while sick and injured, and losing, does not indicate a need for any kind of significant change. It only indicates that on this one particular occasion KP did his thinking with his balls instead of his brain, and Jack and Miguel were unable to change his mind.

    I've known about Jack's involvement with amatures for a long time. Now that I see how extensive it is, and how deep his commitment runs, I have nothing but respect for the man.
     
  5. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Very good and honest post, sir. Jack Loew is the man.

    You pointed out with good reasoning that the camera for TV drama effects likes to show Jack yelling to "double the Jab", and as you've pointed out a lot of morons around here seem to think that's all he knows how to say.

    But you quite often see Pavlik whisper **** to Jack, so low that Jack has to lean in close to hear, and will reply to Kelly in the same quiet manner. That's what I'd love to know what's being discussed there. Jack is definately a great motivator too.
     
  6. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Here's a good look at the next generation of "Defenders of Youngstown". Click the images to get full size effect. I really like how in many of them you see Kelly actually working with the kids as well. You know that **** has to really be something to those kids to have the MW Champion of the World holding the pads for you.


    http://www.southsideboxingclub.net/shows.html



    If only there were more of this going on, around the country......:yep
     
  7. Hermit

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    Yeah. Lowe takes a hit on this forum because he is pretty vocal at times, but that is the stuff the media is most likely to print. How is that more newsworthy than what he has done for 20 years with these kids? :huh What does it say about us if that is what 'sells'?
     
  8. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Regardless of what Loew does with the kids he still can only help Kelly but so much ..Its obvious by the excuses now that are coming from him ..Pavlik needs a Manny Stewart or a Freddie Roach someone who can utilize his reach and size .Loew can remain but not as a lead trainer .
     
  9. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    It's great Loew is doing this but honestly, you will all be calling for a new trainer next time Pavlik fights someone who is technically sound. I don't want to see that happen but I don't see it going down any other way. Pavlik I hope at least realizes he needs to change some things even if he sticks with Loew. He would have had the same problems whether he was sick or anything. After the 2nd Taylor fight I saw it coming a mile away which is why I picked Bernard to beat him. I think he can get better, but just don't know if he will. From what both said after the fight I am not sure they are accepting the reality of where Pavlik is really at in his growth as a boxer. I hope he does well and will be looking for something new, hopefully a dangerous left-hook and some upper-body movement. I don't think he needs any dramatic change, just a little tweeking.
     
  10. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    A liitle tweaking: FULLY agree.

    Left hook: Very frustating. KP acutally has a devastating left hook, but he does not use it nearly enough. Imagine Kelly being as good with a lead left hook--right hand, as he is with a 1-2!
     
  11. Hermit

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    Psych 101. Humans seem to have the 'need' to understand things. When we don't, we simply make them up. (This really explains most of the postings on this site doesn't it? :lol: ) With fights you are talking at least 3 to 4 months between events. Pretty much everything and everyone will end up getting blamed for a loss. One poster says something that sounds reasonable and people are going to pick up on that and run with it. (When I was a kid people openly said their were no black quarterbacks in the NFL because while blacks were great athletes, they lacked the mental capacity to play the position. Sad thing was they weren't really being overtly racist. They believed it. :verysad)

    So, let me ask this question. How many of you are REALLY qualified to judge Jack Loew as a trainer. And if you are qualified, do you have all of the information you really need? Can you without attending training sessions? How many times have you heard a boxing analyst wonder why someone isn't doing something? Then you hear the corner making the same recommendation, yet the guy IN THE FIGHT, doesn't follow that advice? Freddie Roach begging Bhop to let his hands go against Calzaghe?
     
  12. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Top shelf, sir.

    Come on Feb. 21st!!!!!!!!!
     
  13. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm sure he tells them to double and triple the jab.
     
  14. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jack is training them. He has two kids preparing for the silver gloves.
     
  15. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We are putting one on in the first Sat. in March at the Wedge.