Jack Sharkey (Dempsey fight) V Joe Louis (Walcott 1 fight)?

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  1. 70sFan865

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    I understand your logic, though I think we have to take into account that Sharkey was dangerous countering off jabs. It's also fair to say that he had better head movement than Walcott at his peak, he was insane in that department for a HW.

    Sharkey usually struggled when he faced faster opponents with better reflex, I'm not sure Louis had that at this point.
     
  2. janitor

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    Walcott was theoretically, far more equipped to win a decision against Louis than Schmeling was, and look what Schmeling did to a much better version of Louis.

    Perhaps you ae underestimating the guns that the best 30s boys were bringing to a fight?
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Hey, maybe, I picked Hatton to beat Pacquiao after all.

    But I also said Marquez would beat Diaz with an uppercut.

    Nobody knows but i'm pretty confident in my pick.
     
  4. janitor

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    I should have said, no fighter without a significant reach advantage.
    Louis himself said, that when he fought Walcott he kept seeing openings, but could no longer exploit them.

    I think that he would have found himself in the same situation against Sharkey.
    I think that there is a valid argument, that Louis might have deserved the decision in the first Walcott fight, so we will leave it at that.
     
  5. janitor

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    That is almost like admitting that you picked Frazier to beat Foreman!
     
  6. McGrain

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    Why? IN terms of footwork they are near opposites. Sharkey was absolutely linear and shuffled with the best of them, made angles when he punched. Walcott is a man poured, not born, assuming that Louis would have exactly the same problems with a stern technician seems a little random to me.

    There is, yes.
     
  7. McGrain

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    ...not really, Frazier was far and away the popular pick. Or is that what you mean? Do you mean you thought Hatton was a big favourite?
     
  8. janitor

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    OK, so let's say that instead of retiring after the Walcott fight, Louis tries one last throw of the dice against Ezzard Charles?

    Les say that a prime Tommy Farr, or Arturo Godoy is around?

    I don't think that mobility was the only way to beat that version of Louis.
     
  9. janitor

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    I mean that it looked a lot more obvious in hindsight, than it did at the time.
     
  10. McGrain

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    I don't think Louis would see openings and not be able to use them to the same extent as any of those men as he did against Walcott, no.

    i think it's almost self-evident that Walcott exceeded at that type of work.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Nah, Hatton was a 2-1 underdog. People might not have expected it to be over in minutes, but Pacquiao was heavily favoured in a way Foreman was not.

    Either way, it was a very bad pick.
     
  12. janitor

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    So what fighters would this version of Louis have fared badly against?

    Frankly, he would have been lucky to make it out alive, against a prime Max Schmeling.

    Curiously, nobody has asked how he would have done against a prime Max Baer.

    It seems unlikely that he would have beaten a prime Billy Conn.

    Guys like Farr and Godoy, might have been well placed, if they had got their shot at this point.
     
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  13. janitor

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    I am usually the man defending Louis, but plenty of less mobile fighters, gave better versions of Louis a good fight!
     
  14. McGrain

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    Yeah, and I'm not saying that a less mobile fighter couldn't give Louis a good fight?

    I'm not even saying Sharkey couldn't give Louis a good fight.

    I'm saying that

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    I don't think Louis would see openings and not be able to use them to the same extent as any of those men as he did against Walcott, no. i think it's almost self-evident that Walcott exceeded at that type of work."

    Which is what you asked me.
     
  15. Mike Cannon

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    Well, when you say Joe couldn't manage to decision Louis your right, only because the points win for Louis was seen as wholly unfair, by a vast number of the live gate, and the scribes , going by the articles I have read on this particular fight, you must have too ? looks like Joe caught a lucky break to many.
    As to whether Sharkey could have won over Louis at time suggested, I share your your view that he couldn't, Jack like Apostoli was a somewhat disgruntled man, not overly sure of themselves, he had all the attributes to be very good, long reigning champ, but it didn't come to fruition, seems like he just couldn't or wouldn't get his mind set on the fact he was a accomplished HW , the enormity of fighting a legend like Louis , I feel would have weighed heavy on Jacks mind, on the lead up, and during the fight, he prob would be fine if the fight was going his way , which at some stage I believe it wouldn't, but then self doubt might play around his head, so my synopsis is a win for Joe as and when Jacks confidence started to seep away. stay safe buddy.
     
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