Jack Sharkey vs. Povetkin

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  1. George Crowcroft

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    Yeah, a Sharkey decision seems most likely here imo.
     
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  2. BCS8

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    I don't see how Sharkey is going to do this.

    His strengths were a decent jab and that he was a big strong guy ... for his time.

    Against Povetkin he's giving up 25 to 35 lbs depending on versions.

    Just the same as other jabbers were unable to keep Povetkin at a distance, I don't think he would be able to either.

    When we look at Sharkey / Schmeling, an interesting observation arises.

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    The kind of dipping rush that Povetkin does to get into range is the same thing that Schmeling does against Sharkey and it is effective at avoiding the jab and closing the distance fast. Sharkey does not seem to be at all on the same level as Povetkin as an inside fighter, even if we disregard the weight disadvantage. The way Sharkey often keeps his hands low and has little head movement does not bode well against Sasha's nuclear hooks and overhands.

    Povetkin by KO seems the most likely to me.
     
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  3. Seamus

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    Sharkey was tiny by the standards of Povetkin's era and he had no equalizer. And his skills, both offensive and certainly defensive, were not up to Sasha's. This would be target practice in the truest send of the term. I see a devastating KO in under 7.
     
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  4. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    I don’t think the Schmeling fights are the best example of technical displays by Sharkey, who at his peak is a great infighter and utilized more head movement than any other heavyweight form the period. Honestly that footage might be the clunkiest I’ve seen Jack, maybe you can use the argument that he looked so clunky because Schmeling was his most difficult opponent but he doesn’t really display his usual shiftiness or movement even when Max isn’t really doing anything.

    I think these give the best idea as to Sharkey’s movement and head movement:

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    One of his better infighting displays, against a fighter who imo is substantially superior to Max as a technician in Loughran:

    https://youtu.be/ycRC6h0N1OU?si=3YMZXrn6sdByFaaL
     
    Melankomas, May 31, 2025 at 11:45 AM
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  5. BCS8

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    Not saying that he beats Povetkin, but Sharkey does look a deal better than in the vid against Schmeling in those videos.
     
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  6. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    I disagree, in the other videos Sharkey is utilizing much more head movement and more overall versatility with regard to his footwork and punch variety. His footwork and balance are his weakest attributes but constantly shifting and level changing does make up for it which he isn’t doing much of against Schmeling. That’s just my perspective though.
     
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  7. BCS8

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    That is what I said. He looks better in the vids you posted.
     
    BCS8, May 31, 2025 at 11:54 AM
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  8. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Oh sorry I misread it :lol::beer-toast1:
     
    Melankomas, May 31, 2025 at 11:55 AM
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  9. BCS8

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    I wrote it ass backwards :oops:
     
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  10. Seamus

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    He damn near falls down when throwing a right hand. Sasha would groove an uppercut that would end matters hastily the second time Sharkey attempted such a maneuver.
     
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  11. Lonsdale81

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    I don't think you know how good Sharkey was.. he wasn't just a jab.. his problem was he just wasn't consistent enough.. but he's better than Povetkin:

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    Lonsdale81, May 31, 2025 at 1:59 PM
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  12. Melankomas

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    Sharkey’s right is nowhere near the calibre of his left but he does also seem to know the risks when throwing his right hand as well considering how he moves his head, or closes distance for a clinch, or steps out of range immediately after throwing them. He also seems to know when the appropriate time is to throw and time it and has confidence to get out of the way in time. Not the first nor the last time a world class fighter got away with throwing less than stellar punches with the knowledge and speed to get away in time in case it went south, and that’s not even taking into account when Sharkey threw solid short right hands on counters where he wouldn’t lose his balance. Sharkey is many things but I wouldn’t call predictable one of them; he varied between erratic left hooks and rights to short and well timed ones. An erratic fighter

    I also heard that Jack’s right hand was compromised early in his career due to a hand injury though I haven’t seen proof for that.
     
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  13. BCS8

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    No, he's not.
     
    BCS8, May 31, 2025 at 9:51 PM
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  14. Journeyman92

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    H2H no but I think you can make a case for Sharkey if they were the same size or in terms of more skill for my 0.2$ Povetkin mulches him in real life though IMO.
     
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  15. BCS8

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    An extra 30lbs would help SHarkey a great deal here.
     
    BCS8, May 31, 2025 at 10:02 PM
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