Jack Sharkey vs. Tommy Loughran I

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  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly. I didn't see any head movement from Loughran at all, but he evaded punches by moving his entire body. Unorthodox and effective, although I don't think it's a very wise ring practice.
     
  2. Shrollleftupper

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    His stance was the style of 1920's slicksters that was brought about by Benny Leonard, except they (like Tunney and Leonard) moved their head. I've read on here that Loughran suffered problems in his joints and thus couldn't slip or duck as much. But the stance is still suboptimal. The Blackburn Crouch-style stance adopted by Kid Chocolate and others in the 1930s was much better and in fact is more or less the optimal stance.
     
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  3. William Walker

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    That makes it even more impressive.
     
  4. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sharkey's win was by kayo and over a prime Loughran.
    Loughran's win was by decision and over an over-the-hill Sharkey.
     
  5. KasimirKid

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    I look at it that Loughran was hard to nail solidly. Sharkey was able to do it and that's impressive.
     
  6. William Walker

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    If that was the case, Loughran was even more over the hill.
     
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  7. KasimirKid

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    Not sure I understand the point of this response. Sounds non-responsive and an attempt to be a smart ass.

    My main point is that the first Sharkey-Loughran fight was far more important than the second fight when it comes to judging the relative talents of either fighter. They were both in their primes. I've come to believe that not enough credit has been given to Sharkey on the recent threads of this forum. How can people simply dismiss an impressive knockout win like Sharkey's kayo of Loughran?

    In particular, William, you seem to be impressed by how entertaining a fight is when your give your final rating. What about the context of how the fights were viewed at the time and the stage of the careers of the fighters. Sharkey in particular had a good performance against Dempsey and impressive kayo wins against Maloney, Loughran, Delaney, and Scott. Not all his fights were great obviously. Heeney, Stribling, and Walker were not great performances, but they were honest efforts against the best fighters of the era. Almost nobody looks great against everybody.
     
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  8. William Walker

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    The point of my response, which I assure you was not intended to be smart ass, was that Loughran began boxing in 1919 and Sharkey in 1924. By the time of the second fight, I would imagine that no matter who won or lost, excuses would be in Loughran's favor.

    I agree w/ your assessment about the first fight. Your assessment makes total sense.

    While I really enjoy an entertaining fight, I would have to say that's not true. I think I try pretty hard to factor in the background to most fights. Whenever I judge a fight, I judge it on five levels (no specific order):
    1) how entertaining the fight is
    2) its KO value
    3) its strategic value
    4) is it a great performance by one, or maybe even both of the fighters?
    5) is it just a fight where a weird occurrence/ occurrences take place? (this one tends not to affect my judgment as much as the other four)

    As to the first Sharkey-Loughran match, the significance of it aside (which I will not deny), the reason I have written it off as not having KO value has to do with the punch itself. The hook the Sharkey knocked Loughran out with was nothing above average to me. If someone can find evidence via film or articles (or both), that Loughran was known for his resilience, then I am willing to accept this fight as one of Sharkey's greatest performances. As it stands though, I have always regarded it as one of Sharkey's finest wins, even before I had seen it.
     
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  9. Jason Thomas

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    I am not so certain the second Sharkey-Loughran fight was less important. The first led to Sharkey getting a title shot which he lost. The second led to Loughran getting a title shot which he lost.

    There might not be that much to choose from as to importance.
     
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  10. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I concede the point that the second fight was important to Loughran earning the title shot against Carnera, but not that it was more impressive or more important to the legacy of the relative merits of each fighter.