Jack Sharkey was better than you think?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Jack Sharkey is often criticized for being inconsistent, and this is partially true. He was volatile, mentally unstable, and he picked up his share of losses. However, a closer look at his resume shows a very different picture.


    Thrown to the wolves early

    It is always dangerous to talk about fighters’ records from that period; however, I am content that we are missing very little if anything of Sharkey’s amateur and early professional record. His early opposition is nothing short of remarkable, and he was fighting named fighters practically from the opening gate. In only his sixth recorded professional fight, he took on and defeated 37-4-9 Floyd Johnson. Only a year earlier Johnson had been discussed as a possible challenger for heavyweight Champion Jack Dempsey, after he defeated Fred Fulton. With match making like this it can hardly be wondered at that Sharkey picked up a lot of early losses


    An impressive run of consistent form

    Just because a fighter has a lot of losses over their career, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they were easy to beat at their best. Between September of 1925, and losing the title to Primo Carnera in June of 1933, Sharkey fought 28 times, with his only losses coming to Jack Dempsey, Johnny Risko, and Max Schmeling. Dempsey beat him in controversial circumstances, Risko won a split decision, and Schmeling won by DQ. Would it not be fair to say that over this eight-year period Sharkey was an exceptionally hard fighter to beat? It could even be argues that nobody di it in an entirely uncontroversial way.


    Completeness

    It is fair to say that Jack Sharkey proved himself able to overcome every size and style of fighter imaginable over the course of his remarkable career. He beat punchers like Godfrey and Schmeling, clever boxers like Loughran, and super heavyweights like Carnera. His victims list reads like a whose who of the era. He is one of the very few fighters of that era, who we could confidently say, belongs in the ring with the giants of today.


    Conclusion

    Jack Sharkey fought the best at the beginning of his career, in the middle of it, and at the end of it, and fought them often. This inevitably left scars on his resume and is arguably enough in itself to explain his high number of losses. When matching him in fantasy fights, it would be unwise to bet on his inconsistency, given his incredible run of form at his peak.
     
  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    One of the more talented pre Louis champions.
     
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  3. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jack’s a far cry from ATG status, but he was a handful and could give most top heavyweights a good go (save perhaps some terrible style matchups for him like Foreman, Tyson, Wlad, Lennox) — but you can say that about all but the very best (and even some of them).

    Sharkey was a very good heavyweight. Just not a great one.
     
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  4. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’ve always spoken up for Sharkey here, you just never knew what you were going to get with him. I’ve called him a “manic depressive” fighter because of the high highs and the low lows.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    People really hold the Carnera loss against him he bent straight into an uppercut, it happens and thinking it’s a fix with that on camera is hilarious to me.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Just another guy who swings from being underrated to overrated every couple years. He was a pro gladiator who obviously had skills and some physical ability, and a good deal of heart. He was as his record states. A guy worth discussing and remembering.
     
  7. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Erratic is word often associated with Sharkey in terms of ring performances - but then the perception him being emotionally unstable is just as often ladled on top to explain the erratic performances.

    I haven’t read any bios on him for a deeper dive but in all IVs I’ve read or seen, he came across as a very even handed, smart and astute guy. Not at all unstable in any way.

    He certainly valued and knew how to invest and protect his money and perhaps more than most he came to boxing for the money. I don’t know how much he was actually invested in actual glory or legacy.

    Perhaps he was simply an intelligent, skilful fighter who found reason not to always put himself out balls to the wall.

    When he was switched on for it, he was very, very good and he’s one of those fighters that presents as quite the revelation when you take the time to examine his fights and performances therein more closely.
     
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    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  9. Lonsdale81

    Lonsdale81 New Member Full Member

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    Battered him.. but he was an ageing fighter.. Sharkey also beat another good black HW George Godfrey who went on to win the coloured HW title
     
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  10. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great knockout.
     
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  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The Carnera loss is inexplicable if you look at his previous record, but very explicable if you look at his subsequent record.

    He declined very quickly after he won the title, and Carnera got him at the right time.
     
  12. Lonsdale81

    Lonsdale81 New Member Full Member

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    & that was a near prime Loughran too who hadn't suffered a loss for nearly 5 years.. he would go on to beat Levinsky, Sharkey (2nd fight), Baer, Uzcudun, Godoy etc.. & had just beaten Walker & Braddock.. Tommy is a legit ATG.. more of a natural LHW rather than a HW but still.. great win for Sharkey.
     
  13. Lonsdale81

    Lonsdale81 New Member Full Member

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    This HL really demonstrates his brilliant boxing ability .. i loved his leaping left hood & upper body movement.. Carnera performance was one of my favourites..

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  14. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jack really knew how to catch them moving back.
     
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  15. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Sharkey in Loughran I, Scott and Schmeling I was at a much higher level than he was the rest of his career. Like a "if he beat Joe Louis I wouldn't be shocked" level.

    I consider the Carnera loss to be a fluke him getting caught doesn't change how I think of him at all. More see him as the guy who loses close fights at the top level to legends. Getting knocked out by a top fighter he'd have probably otherwise handidly outpointed isn't really a problem for me.