Jacks Dempsey vs Andy Ruiz Jnr

No, they do matter.

 

His movement looks bad to his era looks way to outdated compared to what we have in ruiz they stopped teaching those outdated styles way back then

I can't even walk into a gym and say I wanna fight like jack they already know its unpolished and just to basic they will teach me his style and more added to it

 

Ok so if we didn't have a george vs ali on video and it was just heresay how it went you just believe it? Cause I wouldn't i wouldn't know which is true and which isn't so its better to not believe anything... all i would know is the match happened

How do you know how jack fought? if he was bad or good in that? You dont its just guess work,What we have on video is the only one that matters cause you can't say how the other match went cause it would be madeup in your head you have no proof of it...

 

Fulton was fighting in an era where a big, slow, unskilled, guy like JW could leave the farm, start boxing at 28-30 years old and win a title in a year or two. There is video of JW and as he was he wouldn't be in the top 200 today at heavyweight. In this era it is doubtful that he ever would have gotten past 4 round fights in the mid west. Fulton had lost a few by the time he fought Dempsey so he probably was even less of a boxer than JW. Andy Ruiz is a quick handed, well schooled, tough boxer who has nothing in common with Willard, and Fulton was likely Willard caliber or even less. An in condition Ruiz would not be an easy fight for anybody.

 

Exactly correct as always Pat. The biggest problem with the classic forum is it is filled with folks that are not fighter's and they just don't know what they are watching. They constantly overrate guys that were great in the era but not so much nowadays.

Some of these historians if you want to call them that will take a Jess Willard and claim that as some amazing victory for Dempsey and in the same breath belittle Uysk for beating a guy like Joshua who would literally knock Williard dead in seconds. Anyone with a brain can see that Willard is nowhere near as talented as Joshua. It's not even close.

 

Willard was trash but that match is used to show Jack's dominance which to me isn't that impressive he hit Will mutiple times,couldn't ko him though

 

Agree 100%, Anthony Joshua has only lost to Ruiz and Usyk. Losing to either is no disgrace. AJ would be tough to beat H2H for anybody as he has proven. I couldn't care less about resumes and who people consider ATGs. There aren't many heavyweight in boxing history that I'd pick to beat AJ.

 

As if Dempsey didn’t lose several times to an obese lightweight who ate his way to the heavyweight limit.

 

Literally nobody says that...

 

Like when Mike got mugged over 10 rounds by Douglas? Gotcha.

If you’re old enough, I bet you deduced the outcome of that fight incorrectly.

 

Under mod. rules the Willard fight would’ve been stopped inside 1 round. Of course you will mention the no neutral corner rule - or did I give it away? - that rule didn’t come into play when Dempsey sat Willard down hard for the first KD - neutral corner rule or not, the fight was more or less over for Big Jess from that point.

If nothing or little else, Willard exhibited extraordinary resilience. While he elected to remain on his stool after round 3 (impaired beyond any viability) he still showed a chin better than SHW Joshua vs Ruiz I. Not to bag AJ but he basically surrendered while on his feet when he could’ve continued - he certainly wasn’t in the bad shape Willard was in after 3 rounds.

 

I don’t.

Spar session was in ‘34, JD 39 yo. No KDs but apparently JD gave a disinterested, woefully out of shape and unranked Galento a going over - but then Galento also claimed later that he got the better of Jack causing Jack to cut ties.

This was 2 x 2 minute rounds - there’s the possibility that Galento showed some deference to the ex champ while Dempsey might’ve poured it on.

Apparently Louis was the first ever to drop Galento. Galento claimed Baer hit him the hardest but no one lifted the Fat Man (all 233 lbs of him) off his feet and busted him up as badly as Louis did.

Galento wasn’t too friendly toward Louis at the time-at least around then I could guess Galento begrudged giving Louis any due credit..because we know that IF, according to Galento himself, Tony was “allowed to fight how he wanted to fight” he would’ve “moirdered the bum”.

 

Like when that quote doesn't work with me since mike wasnt in shape and it wasnt the best fighter mike fought and when he traded with mike he got dropped and had mike been in shape he would had won ?

 

Rock was a lhw facing a hw will didnt need to show any toughness he automatically was tougher cause he was facing a man much smaller then him,

They say will wasnt in shape that match would had probly went different had he been i noticed jack was waiting for him to fight back when he first unloaded on him did you notice that? Cause I did..

Thats not a good comparison aj and Usyk have way better punch tech and are 2 hws of course aj isn't gonna show that same toughness

 

Like when fact doesn’t work with you. Fact on film no less.

Tyson was mugged for 10 rounds. Fact.

Mike’s weight was fine. How do you know Mike wasn’t in shape?