Jake Lamotas stamina?

That’s funny, and true: First man on the moon was a notoriously lazy guy who abhorred working out.

 

You have no idea the frequency that I'm suggesting. All I've said is it should make up the bulk of the non specific running. If 5 days are spent doing cardio in the morning then 3 should be long distance runs at a fast pace that can be maintained. 2 should be sprints.

I'm getting so tired of re-quoting you every post because you want to deny what you said 5 seconds ago:

You literally went out of your way to mention him by name. If you think your argument is weak that's on you and would be a fair assumption.

No he got rag dolled by punches didn't he.

You weren't a high level boxer plus Muay Thai isn't boxing. The footwork is nothing like in boxing. Thai boxers fight in straight lines pretty much. Literally got an entire gym of guys that are either active mma fighters or fought in mma that attest to that.

This is so tiring having to constantly wipe your ass for you and show you what you already said. You said that Larry Holmes lasted so long because he wasn't training intensely all of the time and didn't listen to his trainers. His trainers told him to run and strength train. Therefore you're saying by not running and doing strength training Holmes lasted longer. Strength Training properly has absolutely zero negative effects on fighters. Being stronger always has and always will be superior to being weaker.

Nobody in this thread is arguing in favor of sparring wars 3-4x per week.

"I give him all the credit".

Those were questions not declarations. Hence the question marks and not periods.

You mentioned strength training then in your next post you said you didn't mention it at all. Not you're admitting that you mentioned it.

Then why do you deny what you say after you say it? You clearly mentioned strength training then said you never mentioned it? Why did you say this?

I have no interest in unsubstantiated claims on the internet. For decades, boxers ran long miles and flourished in the ring with excellent stamina. All of a suddenly they stop running so much and now they can barely go 12 rounds.

Dempsey, Louis, Baer, Jeffries, Schmeling, Johnson, Robinson, Hagler...These guys didn't have back problems in their 20s. I could name plenty more. Louis had more successful title defenses than Holmes and did his roadwork.

This is the most cringe worthy post I've ever seen on here.

 

And that's fine if you have a fight coming up but you should vary the intensity to decrease strain on the joints. Any coach will tell you that.

I said a boxer being able to keep his hands up and remain on his feet for 12 rounds is more important than being able to run for an excessive number of miles non stop. If You can do both, great, but if you can run for half an hour but can't keep your hands up and punch for half an hour you obviously did something wrong in your training.

You Bringing up a bunch of boxers who can run for 10 miles and who can keep their hands up all 12 rounds tells me you have a very hard time understanding what I am writing.

I don't think my argument is weak, I think it was weak that you ignored all the examples and picked the easiest one. The irony being you failed at that too.

Rag dolled has nothing to do with punching someone, it's about roughing them up with grappling and clinching. That didn't really happen to Khan, nor was he gasping for air after 12 rounds. We are waaaay off topic.

You claimed ladders does nothing for footwork and endurance and I mentioned boxers such as Khan, Spence, Joshua, etc who all use it and all who have good footwork and stamina. You then responded by talking about how Khan wasn't really world level and got knocked out which doesn't have jack **** to do with his stamina and footwork.

Footwork is footwork regardless of the sport. You said ladders does nothing to improve it and I know this is false because I've seen the results in my training, the training of numerous boxers Ive seen, football players, etc. The only evidence you've provided is opinions you ejected from your anus.

And btw my Footwork was good enough to avoid getting thrashed by a former champion in sparring lol.

Key words here being "all the time". Holmes varied the intensity like any sensible athlete.

I said doing excessive strength training and cardio will have negative long term effects and that goes for virtually anything in life. YOU responded to my post and said "strength training properly has zero negative effects on fighters" which is attacking a claim that I never made.

Nowhere in my post did I say strength training in general is bad for a boxer and will have negative side effects. Nowhere in my post did I say it's better fighter a fighter to be weaker. Nowhere. Again, I will cashapp your dumbass $20 if you can show me where I said it. You are either being facetious or you have horrible comprehension.

If anyone is having to walk someone through baby steps for explanations its me for you over and over again.

Yeah I give him all the credit for beating Mercer at 42. You claim Holmes opposition was overrated and not great. By all means name 5 fighters who would go undefeated against the fighters Holmes faced.

Are You 12? you asked me a bunch of loaded questions attacking a claim I never made. It was a straw man and you know it.

I did mention strength training and forgot, but I never said strength training was automatically bad nor did I claim it's better for a fighter to be unathletic or weak or any of the other stupid things you claim I wrote when it's Nowhere in my posts.

I clarified what I meant by the Holmes quote about 5 or 6x now. Either You have a learning disability or you're a child who wants to argue for no reason but to prove you're right. Perhaps both?

Because you wrote your post in an accusatory way with a straw man claiming that I held the position strength training was bad and I didn't write that. Now you're pretending to be confused that I won't own up to something I never said.

You are easy work.

And I could care less if you believe me or not, although I would be more than happy to substantiate my claims with a video upload.

Really don't get the point of the rest of this post. I do agree some boxers today have worse stamina but that's another conversation.

Marciano and Frazier had back problems at a very young age from all their intense training.

Baer lost his title in his first defense. Dempsey was no cardio machine.

What's cringe is you using straw man arguments for 3 pages and using 2nd grade insults. I mentioned James Toney and Jake Lamotta not running a lot and you responded asking if boxers should copy their burger and beer habits. You've been intentionally using idiotic fallacies from the beginning

 

There's so much wrong with your post that I'm not going to bother wasting 20 minutes to break it down piece by piece anymore. Boxers should be running decently long distances and they should be running them fast. If you want to change the goal posts then go ahead but I've said my piece.

Also Baer was a top fighter for just about all of the 1930s. Regardless of how long he held the title. Dempsey had absolutely no stamina issues whatsoever.

 

Why stop now? You already wasted 2 pages creating straw man arguments to defeat because you were too intellectually deficient to respond to what I actually wrote. Had you simply done that from the beginning instead of trying to put words in my mouth and prove how smart you are this could have been a more enjoyable conversation, but I did get a good laugh at you intentionally misconstruing things and failing.

You're backing off now because I called you out and you refused to simply get back on subject because you had no answer for what I said. Concession accepted.

 

Sounds like you have a lot more than words in your mouth lol

We’ve got two pages of you denying your own posts then looking like a jackass when quoted with them. This seems to be a trend with you and plenty of posters. Your argument is so bad that you make up some ridiculous claims about being some 6’1 230 lb Muay Thai fighter to say you’re right.

 

Literally nowhere in my post did i say strength training was bad. Not even in the post you quoted. That $20 offer is now $100 if you can show me where I said that. You argued against points I never made. I clarified my post about 4x and you still insisted I meant something else which tells me you're a little girl who just wants to argue. Either that, or you're a schizophrenic and got confused while arguing with some imaginary voice.

I don't need to lie about something as miniscule as how tall I am or how much I weigh which can be easily proven with a photograph of my ID lol. That would be one of the dumbest things a man could lie about. I only brought it up because YOU insulted me and called me a "little runt", did you not? You seem to be insecure and I noticed you have a problem whenever someone makes a personal claim like you did when Seamus talked about his credentials as a runner.

 

sounds like you have a problem with being called little

 

For anyone whose curious here is my quote that DanDaly keeps arguing about.

Nowhere in this paragraph did I say strength training is bad for boxers. Only an imbecile would gather that from this post.

 

I think doing too much of the same exercise burns you out/over trains you on that one specific aspect of your training. Also might get you bored not doing the exercise with intention anymore losing focus.

You can work around that by doing running.

Also there is a recreational aspect to running. In the real sense of the word. Re-creating. In that you use the muscles in a different way therefore realigning the body so you don’t get imbalances that lead to injury eventually.

Running is still exercise. It’s not boxing but still exercise. Building stamina and endurance. Very useful to a boxer.

 

"That's where your roadwork shows. If you cheated on that in the dark of the morning, well, you're going to get found out now, under the bright lights.”

 

Actually both Hatton's did run a lot. Matthew himself told me that they used to run together in the early 2000s. He literally said me and arkid were running everyday since before you born kidda.

 

You're in contact with Matt?

 

Yeah, I train at his gym. Or at least, I did before lockdown. I've talked about some of the things behind the scenes he's been privy to. Like, first hand experience of how ****in dodgy Canelo's deck-stacking is. He told me in advance that Campbell was going on the Whyte undercard.