Jake LaMotta challenges Joey Maxim for the light heavyweight crown (1952)

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  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This was a rumored match in 1952 when LaMotta was trying to get his career back together after the St. Valentine's Massacre, but never happened. If it had happened, what do you think the outcome would have been? While LaMotta was certainly past his best (by a lot), I still pick him to win. Maxim at his best was slow-handed, slow-footed, and just not that good. He was tough and had a good jab. LaMotta SD.
     
  2. Jason Thomas

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    I think Maxim outboxes him for a decision. I don't think Maxim was slow footed. He could move around.
     
  3. William Walker

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    Ya, I take that back. I just think his handspeed and jab get highly overrated. He still had a fair jab despite that.
     
  4. CharlesBurley

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    Maxim outboxes him for a decision
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Maxim he'd jab Jake's head off.
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    Maxim looked stationery compared to Robinson, but he easily has the movement required to stay ahead of Jake for the majority of the fight.

    The big question is if he has the durability to weather the storm Jake will bring down the stretch.

    Maxim was only knocked out once in his whole career, that one time was when he was laying against the ropes, but it was against Curtis Sheppars who was considerably bigger than the Jake.

    I pick Maxim on points but by the end of the fight he'll look worse than Jake for my money.
     
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  7. ETM

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    Not to mention LaMotta was used up by this time. He wasn't that old but all that punishment as well as the extreme weight fluctuations took it away from him.
     
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  8. red cobra

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    Maxim only seemed slow of hand and foot vs SRR by comparison. Actually, since his forte was defensive, counter punching and clever boxing, and if you don't count his title winning bout with Freddie Mills, he was largely bereft of a punch, hell...he had to have some speed to go with that cunning. It was, rather, a functional, sneaky kind of speed similar somewhat to Jimmy Young, and not like a Roy Jones, or anyone likewise as flashy and spectacular.
     
  9. red cobra

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    Yes, I agree!
     
  10. mcvey

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    And a great chin!
     
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  11. AwardedSteak863

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    Lamotta was getting long in the tooth by 52'. I could see a prime Lamotta outworking Maxim but in 52' he was not that guy anymore.
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, and as Joey Giardello would say, (paraphrased) Maxim was a mover, not a runner.
     
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  13. William Walker

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    I thought Maxim looked painfully slow in the first Moore fight (I'll admit he probably hadn't fully recovered from the SRR fight).
     
  14. red cobra

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    You have to look at the bigger picture, i.e., Maxim's career as a whole to make a more accurate assessment of his speed.
     
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  15. Jason Thomas

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    I am not certain any version of LaMotta could be expected to wear out Maxim. LaMotta seems subject to tiring himself. I don't think he was a particular stamina freak and Maxim always went a lot of rounds.

    The big factor here is that Maxim is so much bigger. He could dry out to 175 but his natural weight was probably in the 180's. In good shape, LaMotta was in the mid-160's. Guys like Murphy and Nardico, who were big for LaMotta, were probably smaller than most that Maxim fought.

    I think both men were past their best by 1952, but LaMotta was either further gone, or more vulnerable to age deterioration than the slick Maxim.
     
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