jake lamotta vs billy conn....

I can't remember who but someone posted something on here about the Williams/Lytell decisions being close/controversal. Williams was also 34 and 150 fights into his career, and Lytell about 20/21 (from recollection)

As for the 'From 1942 to 1947 he only lost to Ray Robinson, Lloyd Marshall and Fritzie Zivic', in '42 he lost to Basora, in '47 he lost to Hudson, but it was certainly a good little run

 

Sir u mention Billys loss to the great unsung polish panther Teddy Yarosz like its to be held against him
As well as referencing the "Red Headed Terror" Oscar Rankins as a mundane "journeyman"
My response??

SO MUCH FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF BOXING!!!

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I'm afraid you're going overboard here. I was simply pointing out Conn's struggles at middleweight and that he got better later on in his career. LaMotta surely belongs with names such as Zivic, Yarosz, Krieger and Apostoli who all gave Conn plenty of trouble.

Having close bouts with Teddy Yarosz is certainly nothing to be ashamed of. You could make the case though that Yarosz won all of their three bouts and had the better of Conn.

Calling Raskin a journeyman was a bit of an over-statement. I did so because he travelled often and fought all the top fighters of his day, losing some, winning some. He knocked Conn down and lost a disputed split decision.

Rankins was tough but LaMotta was tougher. I imagine LaMotta would give Conn a tough fight at middleweight much like the men that I listed did.

 

May I declare a moratorium on ranking Billy Conn as a middleweight please???!!!
This was his division while a teen lad.
The post sez both fighter in their PRIMES

 

Indeed. I was making the point that LaMotta would stand a very good chance against the middleweight version of Conn.

 

middleweight billy??..May i ask why??..
I mean what next?? The 13 yr old version of Wilfred Benitez vs god knows who?

 

Middleweight Billy was good enough to beat several hall of famers.

 

OK middleweight teeage Billy is an outbet vs prime Jake

Can we discuss both primes now?

 

Hard to think of Billy on the form he showed vs a prime Zale having a problem with any version of Jake Lamotta


Billy toyed with Zale!

 

This thread has gone on too long, IMO...Billy Conn beats Jake LaMotta at middleweight or lightheavyweight...period.

 

Tim Conn checks in boys!


I feel my father would easily have beaten Lamotta. Lomatta was was very tough but had no defense and easy to hit. He didn't fight the same caliber of opponent that my dad did. Apostoli, Kreiger, Yarosz, Rankins, Zale would have all beaten lamotta. My father won 11 out of 12 rounds against Zale. He would have done the Same against Lamotta. He also would have beaten Robinson. As a middleweight he was too big for him. Frank Graham, the boxing writer, also said the same. Rember Fritzie Zivic beat Lamotta and he was only a welterweight. Lamotta wouldn't lay a glove on Yarosz. My father called him "The Mater of defense" He was very under rated. He beat many great fighter including Archie Moore, LLoyd Marshall and lou Brouillard.

Take care, Tim

 

Wait, you're Tim, or you know Tim or you know him or foung this somewhere?

:good

 

Im Slakka, Tim is Billys oldest son. We have an email correspondence and this topic was bugging me.

 

Im sending Tim an email admonishing him for not mentioning Bob Pastor.
It is said to this very day Jimmy Bivins raves RAVES! about the amazing boxing skills of Bob Pastor.

 

Billy Conn UD Lamotta.