Jake LaMotta vs. Floyd Mayweather

Well said. Lamotta is the blueprint to beating Mayweather.

 

You do realise in the modern era fighters dehydrate far more and gain far more after a weigh in because of 24hour weigh ins. Old timers couldnt do this getting weighed a few hours before the fight, effectively modern WWs/LMWs are as big as old time MWs because of the amount of water they drain and rehydrate with.

Lamotta was only 5'8, hardly a tank also 1 of the more fleshy boxers

 

Its worth noting after beatng Lamotta, Lloyd Marshall said the others Murderer's Row boxers like Charles Burley would comfortably beat Lamotta. Given Burley has similarities to Mayweather and isnt much bigger its not inconceivable by any means Mayweather pulls it off. Lamotta went life and death in 5 very close fights with Zivic who wasnt bigger than Mayweather and wasnt as skilled

 

De La Hoya is a boxer puncher, that holds his hands far out in front of his face, and isn't a guy who is used to delivering pressure.

De La Hoya who started his career at what, 130? was also out of his element against Sturm who is just a regular guy who hasn't done **** and is scared to take on challenges in an almost empty middleweight division.

Lamotta was at Light Heavy as an amateur, moved down to middleweight as a pro and was considered a BIG middleweight fighter. His game was also pressure. He managed to give SRR, regarded as the best ever, and one of the best ever at middleweight very competitive fights by delivering pressure.

Yet you say, with the style that De La Hoya used in his fight against Mayweather, LaMotta is a at a stylistic disadvantage?

 

The same Burley that put Archie Moore down 3 times in his fight?

The same Burley that started at welter and fought many of his fights at middleweight?

Of course it's concievable and maybe even likely that the bigger than Mayweather, Burley would beat Lamotta, but the guy could also punch. Yes, he was not a knockout artist in the sense that he didn't go for the knockout, but he COULD gain guys respect with his punching power and could put guys on their ass when necessary.

Mayweather has great skills, and even if you want to argue that he's close to the same size as Burley, fact is, he's not a puncher. He landed over 60% of his punches on Marquez, and even managed to left and right hook combinations off his dome, yet Marquez was merely "scuffed up" at the end of the bout.

And Marquez is typically a counterpuncher and it showed because he did not look very comfortable going foward against Mayweather.

And if you are under the impression that Mayweather can simply run the duration of the fight, which is basically what he'll have to do, look at how Ricky Hatton managed to pin him several times, yet just didn't have the offensive arsenal, nor the strength, necessary to attack Mayweather when he had him cornered.

Lamotta has feet just as quick as Hatton's and he's, a better operator on the inside, and he's more elusive on the way in do to his style.

Also this fight will be at middleweight, where Mayweather's combination of not being a puncher, and having additional weight will only serve to slow him down and put him in a position where he can get punched.

 

a voice of sanity in an insane thread.

Even the over-rated Hatton had his moments moving into Mayweather and that was WITH the ref in Mayweather's pocket and not allowing any infighting.

LaMotta would potentially end Mayweather's career in this one.

 

Yes I do, but LaMotta drained to make the limit. After the weigh in was early like in his last fight with SRR than I'm sure that he was probably at least 165-170 pound at night by the time of the fight. I could be wrong. He could've been even more.

So you make a point but LaMotta was probably more than the 160 limit. He just couldn't rehydrate to the extent. And his frame was that of a 168 pound man.

 

You're right Burley hit signicantly harder than Mayweather, however Zivic and Holman Williams likely didnt and they went very close. Mayweathers a tougher match up than Zivic and Zivic has a win over Lamotta

Mayweather doesnt run, he uses his defense to offset his opponents output, you mention Hatton but Hatton barely landed anything and is faster of foot/hand, lamotta is more skilled and likely lands more. Hatton gets underrated a little now, I'm not a fan of his but his output/intensity/speed/chin/body attack made him a tough fight. He managed to pull off wins over Tyszu, Castillo amongst other quality prospects

Again I'm not making a pick here

 

It would depend how much time Lamotta had to rehydrate, today it'd be allot easier with 24hour weigh ins

Lamotta may well be 165 in the ring, Hatton would weigh 155-160, Mosley is typically 160 in the ring, Delahoya probably weighed well over 160lbs against Mayweather, Baldomir around 160

With the advent of 36hour weigh ins this isnt the massive step up in weight that it may seem

 

Am I the only one who thought Castillo beat Mayweather in their first fight? You know, the one where he outlanded Mayweather about 2 to 1? One thing about Mayweather, talent or no, he never steps in a ring without every element (including the ref) being negotiated to his advantage. Not quite the same as an era where guys, even at the highest lever, regularly took fights on one or two week's notice.

 

Though Mayweather doesn't come close to Ali as far as work rate, I think this fight would look like Ali-Frazier I. Both fighters well conditioned but the relentless attack wears Mayweather down over the course of the fight and Jake wins by UD.

 

You guys can't be serious..LaMotta way too strong, overpowers Moneyprick with ease.

 

outlanding by 2-1 was it Noway was Castillo outlanding on head shots, that and losing the first 5rounds didnt do him much good

And when did FMJ have the negotiating advantages with Delahoya, Corrales, Hernandez, Judah etc etc Im not actually sure what advantages your on about so I'll stop

 

Castillo outlanded Mayweather 173 to 67 in power punches. So you're right, it wasn't 2 to 1, more like 3 to 1.