Jake Lamotta Vs. Joe Calzaghe

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nah, that's not me at all. I love modern boxing every bit as much as the old stuff. It really doesn't make a huge amount of difference to me when the guy had his fight.

    Here we have the best fighter that Calzaghe would ever have faced, and at 168, his "natural" weight too. So there are immediate questions about Calzaghe's ability to mix it in this class.

    He's also up against a hard headed fighter that "takes one to give one" (though in this case he probably won't be landing at that ratio) & that combined with the fact that powderpuffs just won't keep Jake of you leads us straight up a path to Joe's biggest weakness.


    On the other hand, Joe will be scoring plenty, has a serious advantage in height, can work, and is a good puncher when his hands are in tact.

    Calzaghe would take an early lead but I also feel he would be made to work to fast for his own comfort in this one and would seriously start to flag down the home straight.

    I'd be unsurprised if the decision was contested whichever way it went.
     
  2. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    As great as Jake was, this guy Calzaghe is painfully underrated here in the States. It's understandable how he can be overrrated by the British, but we do just the opposite. Remember, when every "expert" on this side of the water just about had Lacy DESTROYING Calzaghe. Brutally destroying the "pretender" from Wales. I got rather tired of the same predictions over and over again. They were overlooking Calzaghe badly to say the least. Needless to say thae had to eat their words, but began later to trash Jeff Lacy to justify themselves, which I think is despicable. Look, a Ken Buchanan type fighter, which Calzaghe aspires to, comes along every now and then. I think Calzaghe would have an excellent chance of beating Jake, and more than likely on points. No ko's or knockdowns. Calzaghe, with his speed, acurracy and incrdible workrate would be, unlike many fighters today, an excellent 15 round fighter. This would help him, and also if he resisted roughing it up with Jake. Just outbox and outpunch him, and it would be possible.
     
  3. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I doubt LaMotta's head is going to hurt Calzaghe's hands more than most other fighters. It isn't literally made of granite.

    Calzaghe has many times fought through with damaged hands, it is only when a significant break occurs it is a major problem.

    Also Calzaghe slaps, so he doesn't get tired. This is one fight that I am more convinced about than most others.
     
  4. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    La Motta hasn't a chance in hell. It's not only that styles favour Joe, it's that La Motta is in all reality not that good of a fighter compared to his modern counterparts.
     
  5. Jack

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    What exactly does LaMotta have to beat Calzaghe?

    He doesn't hit hard enough to stop him, or slow down Calzaghe's pace.
    He is too slow to land often.
    He lacks the punch output to outland, even if he does find Calzaghe easy to hit.
    His defence isn't good enough to stop Calzaghe's super fast assault.
    He would be considerably smaller and only just as strong.



    LaMotta has a lot of positives, but none of them mean he would win this fight. He obviously wouldn't get stopped, but this would be a horrible beating.
     
  6. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Why wouldn't he get stopped? He'd get tatooed worse than Lacy and this is a peak/peak fight, so that means less Calzaghe hand problems.

    I am not saying Calzaghe KO's La Motta, but a stoppage on accumulative damage is the most likely scenerio.
     
  7. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just tell them a stoppage is unlikely, compromise, and they're more likely to agree mate.
     
  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    If you believe that he gets stopped, you should say so. This is a boxing discussion, not a debate to pass an agenda through....there is no need for wheeling and dealing.
     
  9. cross_trainer

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    Depends on the ref. A modern one, judging from the Manfredo mess, may stop it. Then again, Lacy took more punishment than LaMotta would.

    Jake is a particularly interesting case. Like others have said, his strengths aren't the best ones to exploit Calzaghe's weaknesses. On the other hand, his high workrate does make it unlikely that he would be "Lacy'd".
     
  10. McGrain

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    I think you missed my point. Joe Calzaghe can't throw little punches to keep Jake of, he can't slap and expect not to get hit. He is more likely to hurt his hands because he will find himself firing in full-bore punches more and more as the fight wares on, or from round one depending upon strategy. Cal "rests" his hands in most fights. He can't do that here.
     
  11. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I reckon the head-snapping slaps should be enough. They aren't heavy, but they do the job. Those shots could discourage a lion.
     
  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    This one, maybe:

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  13. McGrain

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    This is why we differ where LaMotta is concerned. LaMotta is not a lion. He is a freak. Whether you beleive he is punishing himself or belive he is near invulnerable to punishment i'd say "fair enough" - but your approach to him is not accurate.

    LaMotta has to be stopped. He can't be discouraged. You must stop him while he is upon his feet if you want him to stop punching you. Then put him down before he re-ignites.

    There is no peak film of LaMotta, I think I am right in saying, but i'm happy to match him with the VI guy (allowing for the fact that he would be at 168 and not weight drained).
     
  14. McGrain

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    This may be a better answer.

    Though I would just point out that this is post-courage lion (the bow is a give away).
     
  15. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd have to see prime LaMotta before I can embrace the idea that Calzaghe's slaps would make no impression.