Jake LaMotta vs. Marvin Hagler. Battle of the Legends.

Lamotta was knocked down in the 7th round by Danny Nardico,Nardico was the 6th rated LH at the time,Jakes corner pulled him out between the 7th and 8th.Nardico in 50 wins had 35 kos,its entirely possible he might have dropped Hagler too,Hagler met some big punchers at middle but never ventured up th LH,Lamotta went the route with big Hitters like Lloyd Marshall and BobSatterfield ,both as heavy ,if not heavier hitting than Hearns and Hart,plus Jake had 6 fights with SRR without being off his feet.He was on the way out when Nardico beat him. So I think Jakes chin stands comparison with anyones.

 

Good god, you are absolutely right! Because we all know that Jake was in his prime in those two fights!

atsch

 

Sorry Russ, I meant to say Sonny Boy and typed your name instead... your allright in my book.

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Of course he wasn`t, heck he was worse than Hagler overall! Now I am sure everyone here would like to know why I think the man is such a lowlife (meaning Hagler), so I will share a little tidbit about him with all of you, here goes:

Now, I am sure most of you are aware of Hagler`s divorce against his first wife Bertha who he paid a four million dollar settlement to and with whom he had five children. But did you folks now that he has never kept in touch with any of his children he had with her after their divorce and that after Bertha blew that four million on nose candy and a lavish lyfestyle that he did not assist his children financially?

His eldest son was living on the streets at one point and called his father for help, and he told him in a nutshell to fend for himself since he gave his mother 4 million and thus did not owe anything to her or them. He was forced to move in for two months with one of my long time trading partners who is good friends with Marv`s oldest son and who he helped out financially during that time.

Now I don`t know about you folks, but to me that is a despicable thing to do to your own flesh and blood. Hate your ex-wife all you want, but to let your kids suffer like that while you are a multimillionaire is nothing short of disgusting in my eyes. Needless to say, none of them speak to their father now and it seems that is exactly what he wants. Now I have more storys to share about the man, but out of respect for my friend and Hagler`s son I will say no more.

I will now also disclose something to all of you, and that is that there is footage of Hagler`s fight against Mike Colbert (KO12) which shows the last six rounds of that fight in colour and with sound. His second fight against Donnell Wigfall (KO6) is also filmed and complete shot from a camcorder ringside at the Brockton High School Gymnasium, an his fights against Johnny Baldwin and return against Willie Monroe are also filmed. How do I know this you may wonder? Well, that I will not disclose but let me assure you that they will see the light of day eventually.

 

Jeez man that's some bad ****

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We also know that Hagler was in his prime for the Briscoe and 1st Antuofermo fights, don't we? He didn't improve a little bit after that, he only got worse.

 

Are you trying to imply that Hagler was a mere pup when he took on those two? He may not have been at his absolute peak, but he sure as hell was a damn good fighter by that point who was a ****`s hair away from his prime. You on the other chose to bring up two of LaMotta`s less impressive performances when the man was already over the hill.... apples and oranges there bud, apples and oranges.

 

I'd like to hear your insight

I actually knew Hagler from when I trained in Brockton with the Petronelli's as an amateur. We went out to lunch a few times. He was always a okay guy, nothing more - not the brightest, sharpest, or most genuine I've met. He asked me if I could buy him a pair of shoes (white with red stripes) from East Side Sporting Goods in Detroit. I did...and he didn't pay me back for several months, until I finally went up and said "when the hell are you going to pay me back?" I haven't taked to him in ages, but I did email him via his website a few years back.

 

I don't see LaMotta winning this one either. Too many losses to too many ordinary fighters in his career.

 

Seeing that both men had cast iron chins and probabaly could'nt knock the other one out the fight would probably end in a decision. With that being the case, I can't see how LaMotta can win. Assuming the chins are equal, Hagler has the edge in just about every other department. He's taller, faster,more technically sound boxer, better defense, better movement in foot and upper body and punched harder to boot. I see this fight as a decision win for Marvin. He would simply outbox LaMotta. It would'nt be a cakewalk for Hagler. Jake was as tough as they come and underrated in his boxing ability, but still not as good as Hagler. Marvin would be pumping his jab in Jakes face all night and whipping in hard fast combo's behind it. Jake would have his moments for sure but he just does'nt hit hard enough to hurt Marvin which means he would have to hope to outbox him and that is extremely unlikely imo.

 

You know, it never ceases to amuse me when I hear how Hagler holds all those advantages over LaMotta and as such would beat him. Maybe its just me, and feel free to call me crazy for what I am about to say, but didn`t the Sugar Man hold the same advantages over Jake that Jim Broughton just mentioned? And yet Jake beat him when he was considered invincible, and arguably should have had at the very least one more win against him in their 5th fight and their third tussle was controversial as well.

So here we have little short armed Jake giving hell to arguably the universally considered best p4p fighter in our sports history, yet he will not be able to get past Hagler or even manage to give him a good fight? I`m sorry folks but I ain`t buying what you selling, although you are entitled to your opinions. But for me anyone who gives Ray Robinson hell in five fights is one heck of a fighter and would have troubled Hagler who I consider a lesser fighter than Robinson. Most of the good fighters he fought held those same advantages over Jake, yet it did not stop him from winning now did it?

 

And how do you know LaMotta was past it when he was being outboxed by Dauthuille? He has just won the title a little over a year prior, and by his own words, he was in the best form of his life for Cerdan fight, he got over the hill in one year all a sudden? He'll of course tell you, that he's lost motivation the next day after he won the title, that it was exactly before the Dauthuille fight that he suddenly had troubles making 160lb, yadda, yadda. His bio is full of excuses for everything that wasn't in his favour, the man was a sore loser.

 

How do I know he was past it by the time he fought Dauthuille you ask? Hmmm, perhaps because he was already on the slide by the time he won the title for starters. And of course he was in the best shape of his life for the Cerdan fight, but being in the best shape you can get yourself into is not the same as being in your prime now is it? And he had been having trouble making weight for several years before he even won the title you dunce, not immediately after winning it as you so falsely claim. Your dislike for him is amusing, I mean did someone once have the gall to suggest that LaMotta would have defeated your Boy Toy Roy and since then you have been doing your best to drag his name through the mud at every turn? I mean you really go out of your way to put the man down, it`s actually pretty comical I find but hey whatever rocks your boat!

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I just noticed this post of yours, and I can tell you Marvin NEVER answers any e-mails, why he even has the site up I do not know. He is a very bitter and self-centered man, and by all accounts I have heard is rather unpleasant to be around. And forget about trying to get an autograph from him, he will just give you the brush off and pretend he didn`t hear your request and just walk away, I kid you not as I know of several people e has done this too.

 

So you know it better than LaMotta himself, that he doesn't start claiming he's no longer the same until after the Cerdan fight? Even then he's only talking about losing motivation, killing instinct, but not about being phisically past his prime.

I falsely claim? LaMotta's autobiography, chapter 21:

After Mitri, I signed to meet Laurent Dauthuille, the Frenchman who had beaten me two years before at Montreal. The fight was for September 13, 1950, at the Detroit Olympia, and it was while training for this fight that I began to get the idea that I couldn't go on with this life forever. Somehow before I had always been able to get myself down to the hundred-and-sixty-pound limit, but this time, to use the phrase again, it was sheer torture.