Jake LaMotta vs. Marvin Hagler. Battle of the Legends.

So because it was sheer torture for him to make the weight for that one fight you are going to imply that it was easy street for him to make the weight in all his other bouts previous to that one? Nice try senya, but how about quoting the pragraph earlier in the book where he made it clear he always had to lose a ton of weight before his fights as he ate like a pig?

Or better yet, how about speaking to people as I have who knew him personally and who confirmed the fact that it was hard for him to make the middleweight limit for most of his career? And does anybody else see the irony in Senya quoting a line from his book yet claiming everything else he had to say in said book when trying to explain some of his lesser performances was a load of BS?

 

Battle of the legends? When did LaMotta become a "legend" all of a sudden? What, because of DeNiero's performance in Raging Bull?

LaMotta was a pretty good fighter, but let's not make him into something he's not. Hagler was more or less a complete fighter, who could box, punch, and brawl with the best of them. I think personally Hagler is a boxer on another level, and thst LaMotta would not have much to trouble him. LaMotta wasn't a great puncher so he can't hurt Hagler. He doesn't have great speed either. This has a wide decision victory for Marvelous written all over it.:good

 

Raging, why don't you give it a rest for Christ's sake. Who the **** cares? Does anyone really think Hagler was Mother Theresa?? Who gives a ****? This is a forum / website about boxing, not ethics and personality traits? Does anyone really expect boxers to be sweeness and light?

Sounds like you're the bitter one. Keep the discussion to boxing please. If you must insist on tearing into Hagler as a person then please also do the same for Lamotta, who was a complete animal in and out of the ring. Makes Marvelous look like a saint!

 

Geez, have one of these :rasta and chill the **** out. In case you haven`t noticed fella I was replying to someone else who had asked me on the first page of this thread why I thought Marvin was a scumbag, and so I replied and addressed something else that he brought up. If you don`t like it too bad, stay out of the thread then or put me on your ignore list.

As far as calling me bitter, thats funny . I don`t know the man personally and have no bitterness towards him at all as I never met him or knew him. But his actions speak louder than words and while Jake may have been a lowlife of the highest caliber which I readily admitted earlier (of course you probably missed that little tidbit now did ya), even he took care of his brood and didn`t leave them to fend for themselves unlike the multimillionaire Hagler.

 

I think you are a top poster RB,but when mentioning Jakes win over Robinson,lets not forget that Ray was still a Welter and Jake was the number 1 middleweifght contender.I think Hagler would just squeak by Jake by dec ,over three fights Jake likely wins one,they would all be by dec I think.

 

LaMotta accentuates the troubles of making weights for this particular fight, that from this point on it was nearly impossible for him to make this weight (he only made it once more for Robinson fight). He ran out of excuses, so suddenly troubles with weight for all previous fights were not comparable with Dauthuille fight. He speaks about troubles with weight many times prior to this in his bio, but except for Janiro fight (where he had to make 155) he doesn't put as much accent on these troubles (saying that he felt the best at around 170 or even 175, as I have always been saying, his being a natural light heavyweight, who liked to pick on smaller fighters, but once he stepped up to his natural class, he got his ass whipped real bad).
I don't know what irony you see here, as I originally claimed this excuse for Dauthuille fight in particular is a load of BS.

He wasn't the same, what a surprise, but Hagler during his title reign was the same he had been for Briscoe and Antuofermo I, or very close to his prime, according to your claims. Double standards at their best.
And if LaMotta was on the downslide by the time he won the title, when was his prime? When he lost to Dauthuille earlier the same year? When he won a SD over tomato can Allen? When he supposedly threw the fight with Fox? When he had to cut down to 155 for Janiro? When he drew with Jimmy Edgar? Ah, excuse me, he was only at his prime for one single year, 1945. But he is too modest to claim this excuse too early in his bio, he desided to run out of all other possible excuses first.

Sorry, but your BS about Hagler being nearly at his prime for Briscoe and Antuofermo, but LaMotta being past his prime after his 4th year as a pro, only makes me laugh.

 

Well you sure do sound bitter ! You should read back some of your posts. Instead of me staying out of the thread, Hagler v Lamotta (which is an intruiging one) why don't you leave and start your own one, Who was the biggest scumbag Hagler or Lamotta? then boxing fans, rather than gossip fans, can enjoy the thread more easily.

 

On one occasion, a guy asked for his autograph when we were at lunch. He turned around, visibly annoyed, and said "I'm eating." Yeah, he could be a *****.

I've emailed him since then, but I get responses like "Marvin thanks you for being a fan. It means a lot to him."

 

Mcvey,

Believe you me I am well aware of Ray being a welterweight whilst fighting Jake, but that did not stop him from beating several other middleweights even while weighing in as a welterweight. The Artie Levine, Georgie Abrams fights come to mind to name two, but Ray was so good that the weight difference did not matter.

 

Those are all automated replys, trust me when I tell you he isn`t the type to sit in front of a computer screen and take his time to reply to his devoted fans.

 

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You know, I am sure there is an ignore function available on this site, and since you seem to get your panties in a knot over any negatives said about Marvin perhaps you should put me on that ignore list. That way, you can have peace of mind and not have to read those oh so terrible things I have said about your boxing idol.