Jake LaMotta vs. Marvin Hagler. Battle of the Legends.

Incorrect. I welcome negatives and positives on Hagler and any boxer. That's what makes a great debate. You are bringing up personal issues about fighters which is irrelevent to this thread. I would imagine that a lot of great boxers are assholes. Just take it as a given and get on with the boxing debate.

 

That's funny, because I asked for his autograph last year when he was eating at the hall of fame, and I got it in my IBHOF book. Then again, I was only 15.

 

Do you know how to read?

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Two.

Hagler beat Hamani, Watts within 1 year... What are 3 best Hamani wins? How does a quick win over unranked Watts mean Hagler was near his prime?

So LaMotta was at his prime when he barely outpointed Jimmy Allen by SD in Brooklyn?
What does LaMotta says about this period?

As soon as my suspension for the Fox fight was over, I fought a guy named Ken Stribling in Washington, which was a very good fight town then, and knocked him out in the fifth round. In the rest of 1948 I had a total of four real good wins, including two knockouts, and, in fact, up to the time I fought Cerdan, who got the title by belting out one of the toughest middleweights ever, Tony Zale, in Jersey City, the one real tough fight I had was with a rough French Canuck named Laurent Dauthuille up in Montreal. This character opened up a cut over my eye so big you could see the top of the eyeball--twelve stitches it took them to close it.
I lost the decision, and I thought maybe that would also mean I lose the crack at the title, but I got Joey on the phone and he told me that Mister Big figured, what the hell, anybody could lose a decision on a cut eye.
I had a couple of other good fights before the Cerdan fight. One was with another tough guy named Robert Villemain in New York, and the other with a brawler named Joey DeJohn in DeJohn's hometown, Syracuse.

What the hell, LaMotta doesn't even mention the Yarosz fight as being anything special, that could affect him as a fighter somehow? But your friends and you know better, right?
LaMotta clearly lost the Yarosz fight? Referee and one judge 5-4-1 LaMotta, second judge and the NY Times reporter 7-3 LaMotta. Not to mention the fact that LaMotta actually fractured his hand in this fight (he doesn't mention it in the book, but it was reported during next week after the fight).

What are you talking about, what in particular about the night he beat Cerdan?

 

I won't try to defend Hagler's behavior toward his kids, but I will say I met him at a bar in NH around 1990-91. I introduced myself, bought him a drink and asked him for his autograph. He gave me the IBHOF hat he was wearing (this is before he was inducted) and signed it for me. I thought that was pretty cool.
As far as who would win...I can see both sides of the coin. I do believe LaMotta's skills are very underated though. This wouldn't be a walkover for either guy.

 

At this point I will bow out of this thread and say no more, as I do not want to hijack my friend Dan`s thread here and get into any flame wars of any kind that will veer this thread completely off course. And since repeating myself ad nauseum is something I absolutely despise doing, so I will say no more and Senya if you feel like taking a parting jab at me go right ahead.

 

Robinson was also a natural Welterweight, not exactly a better MW than Hagler. I rate Hagler higher at the weight as a matter of fact.

 

Dont want to hijack the thread....? Better late than never folks..:nut

 

Stop being a dick, he was responding to Brooklyn when you called him out. He didn't just start talking **** out of thin air about Hagler.

 

Probably because it was the Hall of Fame induction weekend. And yeah, the fact that you're relatively young probably helped out too.:good

 

Well i've enjoyed your insights and extra's - plenty i didn't know. It's funny, when people talk about the disgraces of say a Tyson many slurp it up and come looking for more, but when it's the likes of a Hagler panic sets in. The thing about LaMotta is that his wrong doings have all been publicised somewhere or other, but i have seen bugger all of what you said about Hagler in the light of day.

 

"I also never cared about him as a person and have been told some things about him from people who knew him personally one of them being his own son from Hagler`s first marriage, and let me tell you folks this man was a completely self centered ******* and a real **** as a human being."

I refer you to a section of his first post above. He just volunteered his opinion and was not asked for it. Just setting the record straight here, nothing more. So you stop being a dick.

 

So what tho? RB is one of the finest posters around and certainly not known for going around posting shyte or BS. All threads offshoot a bit and particulars about certain fighters as human being always come up somewhere or other - it's part and parcel of a boxing forum and something i don't mind reading - no matter who it is especially if it's a decent source.

Enjoy your posts mate, always read them, but you need to let this one go. RB has provided some top reading both on and off topic in here, giving out some good oil on LaMotta who is underrated IMO and needs all the telling he can get.

 

I hear you JT and I can tell from his posts he knows his stuff. But I am just pointing out he hijacked the thread to vent his spleen about how much he hates Hagler personally. He should create his own thread for that. Peace