Jake LaMotta vs. Marvin Hagler. Battle of the Legends.

Heh..Doesnt seem like everyone posting here has actually seen Hagler - Antuefermo...

 

Wasn't it reported that Hagler had thrown a rock\large brick at his the wife and kids when they were in a car.

I've read that in various places over the years.

 

hagler is not goign to brawl..it's pointless this is a very rare time when the man he is fighting is smaller much smaller than himself. he knows of lamotta vs robinson that lamotta can tire if he is unable to hit often. also haglers southpaw style would be very interesting. .what made halger marvelous was his abilty to be a typical boxer-puncher but with this added awkwardness added to his arsenal makes opponants confused to either engage or box.

so we are choosing the boxing/countering hagler.

lamotta had a pretty underated jab, not that it should be ranked with the greats. just should be noted that he could jab and move pretty well he wasnt as one dimensional as people believe. he out jabbed robinson i think:think

anyways the point is that lamotta is a bulky storng guy with a decent jab. if he gets close using his jab to keep haglers right jab at bay hagler will have to brawl to get him off him...and that spells trouble

you may say that hagler has a better jab than lamotta but historically that doesnt matter we have seen great jabers get out jabed. even people who have a size and reach disadvanage. look at ali-foster. foster had a great jab but ali was clearly the better jab and used it like a tool to be pick his man off.

so in this situiation i think that hagler will be caught in a brawl.

but this is only by my idea that lamotta will jab more than try and broadside him.

if lamotta warms form the outside then he is goign to get beat up badly.

the fight i think would be lamotta being aggresive and throwing a limp wristed jab then goign to work on the inside while hagler will jab and move to his right then counter with the left hand then throw rigth hooks to the body to mix thigns up.

either way this is a ud and i would give hagler the far greater advantage he is bigger and can back stong guys off. it's the glitz and glamour stylists that hagler i think has trouble with.

 

well to be honest man when your eating your eating it's kinda rude to ask for an autograph. he isnt as self centred as people think he is he is just oen of those guys who is a sligt loner who likes to be on his own.

loads of fighters are liek that.

 

Monzon, SRR, Hopkins, RJJ would give Hagler fits, sure, and he'd give them fits right back. These guys you mention were great fighters and if they didn't give Hagler nightmares during a fight there would be something wrong. That doesn't mean he's overated though.

You are absolutely spot on that stylistically evasive fighters gave Hagler the most problems, but dont they to most fighters? I don't agree that Hagler lacked focus or confidence. I remember seeing his performance against Geraldo and the evasive, cautious style definitely gave him some early probems but I would say it was his focus and confidence that got him through. Perhaps Hagler was not the intelligent fighter that someone like SRL was and he needed his cornermen, that's true.

On the subject of the Duran fight, and I've seen it many times, the fact is ( and Duran fans won't like this) he came to survive and land the odd right hand counter to keep Hagler thinking. Really, when great fighter like Duran decide to fight like that there's not much you can do except keep plugging away to the win. Should Hagler have been more aggressive? Are you kidding? Have you seen the long line of busted up middleweights that Duran produced over the proceeding years when he was a shell of a fighter that Hagler fought? Hagler may have got the KO but at a big risk of getting himself banged up, cut or fouled.

Anyway, my opinion is no more right or wrong than yours. What I was really asking you JT, was why you feel so strongly about it? I feel Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, for example are two very overrated boxers but I don't feel the passion to let everyone know about it? What's the reason?

 

I've seen that fight many times as well ... and can assure you that Duran did not come simply "to survive". He came to win. His strategy was sound, but was formed around a more aggressive Hagler. You're observation are negligent of the likelihood that both Hagler and Duran expected the other to fight aggressively, and were faced with different circumstances.

JT and I have gone round and round on this many times. I hold that hindsite is 20/20 and looking back, Hagler would have been better served to fight Duran more aggressively. Duran was exhausted with the larger, far stronger Hagler fighting carefully and he may have not done so well had Hagler put more pressure on him. However, I do agree that Hagler did get his eye swelled up and not a little when he did turn it on and there is a chance that Duran would have swelled it up earlier had Hagler been more aggressive earlier... then things may have gotten quite interesting.

...By the way, Hagler was Duran's first real entry into the MW division.

 

True. In fact, you're right about the "slight loner" comment. He absolutely loved pigeons when he was younger.

But he could be a ***** at times and a good guy on other occasions. He beat people up for a living, so you gotta cut him some slack

 

I emailed hagler too about threee years ago, ****er never replied back :twisted:

i've been ever so bitter since then. :bart

 

thats what i thought:rofl :rofl :rofl
i havent replied to my best friends on facebook...

 

pigeons......:think

tyson maybe?

 

LaMotta had an underrated skill-set, and I'm certain that a lot of the rounds (especially the later rounds) would be extremely close.

We can assume that Hagler would play the role of boxer, and give the Bull looks from both stances to throw him off, and that he could make a pretty decent living in the trenches even against a monster like Jake. LaMotta would likely be throwing more, Hagler methinks would be able to land the higher quality shots, and might do a bit more facial damage to LaMotta than vice versa. In close rounds, that could be enough to make a difference in the minds of judges. Ultimately, I think Hagler's versatility carries the day, and he pulls out a close, very hard-fought decision by an 8-6-1 margin.

 

I mustve missed that 16th round :huh