Jake lamotta vs marvin hagler

I think Hagler might have been OK, if he'd had Randy Turpin in his corner.

 

I agree with you that it would be quite a tough match. LaMotta was a great fighter and tough as they come. It's entirely conceivable he might tire Hagler somewhat and have his share of success late.

 

Turpin could be master strategist! Otherwise Hagler would have to buy his book - "How to Impregnate the Impregnable Defense".

 

Hagler was a true middleweight who fought middleweights.

Jake was a super middle who usually didn’t bother getting down to 160 (or even 161) and fought a ton of welterweights who came in at or around 150 (sometimes 153, occasionally 155) and made his living fighting guys who would today be three divisions lower (super middle vs. welter).

His mob friends saw to it that he got the easy end of the stick weight-wise — for every 10 times he’s over 160 and his opponent is under 158 you’re lucky to find one where he’s the guy giving up weight.

He won his title on a fluke when he injured his opponent throwing him to the canvas. He also worked with the mob and if he was taking a dive then it’s not a far stretch to think some of his opponents took the pill and allowed him to win rather than sleep with the fishes.

Oh, his next fight after winning the championship, an over-the-weight affair (he came in like 165 and generously allowed his opponent 162), he lost. And his title reign was a joke, lost it almost as soon as he won it.

LaMotta was never, ever a dominant fighter (except maybe when his wife made goo-goo eyes at pretty boy welterweight Tony Janiro, who he still couldn’t stop). Everything but his chin is overrated.

But that chin was real. Marvin would alternately box (mostly southpaw) and play boxer-puncher and beat up LaMotta on the way to a fairly wide decision — maybe it’s close for 10 rounds but Hagler’s class shows down the stretch (he’s the far better conditioned of the two on a consistent basis) and wins somewhere in the 11-4/10-5 range in rounds (unless his pals send a guy named Fat Tony to make the judges an offer they can’t refuse).

 

It took SRRobinson 6 tries to get even a TKO over a drained, "party like Duran" LaMotta and Hagler will stop him or have an easy time of it.

Riiiiiiiiight.

 

So in every fight but one he took the best shots from a guy who he outweighed in every fight, who was a welterweight in most of those encounters and who he probably still could have made welter for every meeting.

Poor middleweight Jake having to actually make 160.

Dude could take a punch, no doubt. In fact he DID take a punch — lots of them. Marvin would test his chin far more than Jake would test Marvin’s, but the only way this fight ends before the final bell is by cuts IMO.

 

Why? Lamotta was stopped 3 times in his career. Hagler is bigger and stronger than Robinson and way better than the light heavyweights who pulled it off. Lamotta be getting beaten up on the outside and inside, he has no advantages. Maybe he'd last the distance, it depends if this is an aggressive or tentative Hagler. If it's the aggressive version I think he presses for the stoppage.

 

It was more a case of the MOB getting him gift decisions. The loss you're refering to is against Villemain a rematch. La Motta got given the decision in the first match. It was seen as such a robbery that the commision investigated it and considered reversing the decision. But they ruled they couldn't reverse it without proof of foul play. You know it was a bad one when the commision consider overuling the fight night judges

The Ring had him losing the Yarosz bout, saying Yarosz outboxed him. I've seen it said the Lytell bout was a robbery. The decision again 33yo Holman Williams was booed by the crowd who throught Holman outboxed Lamotta. Lloyd Marshall easily beat him

So yes Lamotta is the most overrated MW in history. But he absolutely did have a great chin

 

A prime Marvin Hagler beats the ever lovin crap out of LaMotta. Jake is as tough as they come but that will just mean he takes more punishment the longer the fight goes. Hagler's brilliant jab controls the fight busting up Jakes face and when LaMotta gets inside he'll find one of the strongest fighters he ever faced at 160. Hagler by TKO round 13

 

No chance this happening.Antuofermo took Hagler to a draw and an old ex lightweight Duran went the distance with him.Jake was a better middleweight than either and with a better chin. This would be a good fight with Jake taking one of a trilogy imo.

 

There was some speculation Ray got the nod in one fight because he was going in the Army .They fought 6 times, you don't do that unless the fights are close.

 

Like I said a cautious Hagler doesn't stop him. Hagler was cautious in the first Antuofermo fight and took him out in the rematch. Hagler boxed cautious against Duran and didn't press the action. This is a Hagler with a different mindset to Antuofermo 2, Sibson, Hearns bouts

 

Hagler would beat him up over the 15 round distance. Clear decision win.

 

Stopped once on his feet by an all time great puncher , when he was dead at the weight, and twice by light heavyweights and he was past it.