Jake LaMotta vs subsequent champions

Bullet · Jul 28, 2014

klompton2 said: ↑

I think stylistically Hagler would be the easiest for LaMotta. Hagler could get psyched out and intimidated IMO it happened against Duran, it happened against Antuofermo. A prime LaMotta was better than either of those guys when Hagler fought them. So I could see LaMotta taking a decision against Hagler. Its a 50/50 IMO and would be very close.

One thing Bullet: Watch LaMotta outjab Robinson in the St. Valentines Day Massacre when hes already past his prime and weight drained. Robinson had one of the best left jabs in the history of the sport and if Jake can outjab him I think hell do fine against Hagler.

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He was past of his best against Duran, definitely IMO. I don't think it had anything to do with being intimidated, simply Duran was still very skilled and even so I have Hagler winning alright, no doubt.
Antuofermo, well, I have the opinion that it's more about how difficult (that's the word) Vito was than what Hagler didn't do or something, was Vito easy to anyone in his career? All his losses are controversial, close.

Jake's jab was good, but I have a difficult time to call him a great jabber or really good on the long range ? What about Jake being out-boxed by Cecil Hudson? He couldn't be past prime by then.

JLP 6 · Jul 28, 2014

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Yeah right.
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Dude...I started laughing when I read his post had my hands ready to go, then I read your post. Thank you.

klompton2 · Jul 28, 2014

Jake had some performances that prove hes human just like Hagler and Tiger did. Thats what makes these matches intriguing to me and difficult to pick.

I disagree that Hagler was past his prime at 29. He even admitted he had too much respect for Duran and that Duran was the most skilled guy he ever met at that point. I think it was clear that Duran got in his head.

Its a stretch to call all of Antuofermo's losses controversial/close. That being said I dont think Antuofermo was as good as LaMotta. Factor that in with the fact that LaMotta fought much MUCH better competition and, well, put LaMotta in against Vito's guys and see if he doesnt whip all of them outright with the possible exception of Hope and Hagler and Id still make him a favorite to beat Hope.

robert ungurean · Jul 28, 2014

klompton2 said: ↑

I disagree that Tiger had a rough time with Fullmer in their second fight. In their first fight Fullmer quickly realized that Tiger was much stronger than him and changed from his usually rushing, mauling style to just running. He just tried to survive. The second fight picks up exactly where the first went off except Gene just ran the entire time. That draw is sickening because Fullmer didnt even come close to trying to win.

LaMotta is difficult to guage because his best years were behind him by the time he got a title shot and hence by the time most of the film on him is made. In his prime he was a hellacious body puncher, one of the best ever, who was always in great shape, tireless, and threw a lot of punches, on top of his legendary toughness. He was compared early on to Harry Greb believe it or not but his style was not made for longevity and he became jaded very early which effected his performances. However he was strong enough to deal quite successfully with bigger, harder hitting fighters which makes me think he might do well with Tiger despite the fact that Tiger looked great against guys who fought in Jake's style. If Tiger was strong enough to handle Jake it could be a bad beating for LaMotta. If LaMotta could deal with Tiger's strength I could see him outpointing him. Neither guy is going down. I think stylistically Hagler would be the easiest for LaMotta. Hagler could get psyched out and intimidated IMO it happened against Duran, it happened against Antuofermo. A prime LaMotta was better than either of those guys when Hagler fought them. So I could see LaMotta taking a decision against Hagler. Its a 50/50 IMO and would be very close. Monzon Im not sure about. He was so tall and had such an awkward defense that I could see him giving LaMotta problems. Im not nearly as high on Monzon as most people. I think hes overrated, was protected, and his marquee wins arent all that impressive given when he fought those guys in their careers. If Im right and hes overrated LaMotta would find out, break his body, and take home a decision. If Im wrong then Monzon would move along the ropes, twisting and turning whenever LaMotta got in close to negate the damage those short arms could bring and take a decision, likely busting LaMotta up along the way. All three fights are tough calls depending on some variables.

One thing Bullet: Watch LaMotta outjab Robinson in the St. Valentines Day Massacre when hes already past his prime and weight drained. Robinson had one of the best left jabs in the history of the sport and if Jake can outjab him I think hell do fine against Hagler.

Bodypunches always get undersold. Its just a fact. But Jake was a fantastic bodypuncher and thats where his power manifested itself. Allen Rosenfeld who wrote the Charley Burley book had seen LaMotta fight live several times. He was at a fight in Detroit once where LaMotta was fighting this guy (cant remember who) the fight looked like it was on pretty even terms until about midway through LaMotta's opponent started bleeding profusely from the mouth. Nobody could figure out where all the blood was coming from because LaMotta had thrown almost no head shots, focusing almost exclusively on the body. In between rounds they stopped the fight because it wasnt a cut he was bleeding from, he was spitting up blood. LaMotta had battered this guys body so much that he was hemmoraging internally.
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that was a great post that I agree with 100%

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