Jameel McCline vs. Buddy Baer

janitor · Jun 21, 2008

BOGART said:

Baer had close to 60 fights in his career and probably 40-45 would qualify as the types of cans you say Briggs fought.
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Same with most fighters resumes.

The point is that while Briggs has padded his legacy over many years Baer took a prety direct route to the topa and went for bust or nothing against Louis. Clearly a much higher percentage of his fights were against top 20 opponents than in Briggs case.

I guess the Briggs win would be on a parr with a win over Jimmy Braddock.

When comparing Baer to McCLine, its safe to say that McCline fought every bit the competition that Baer did if not better. Whats Baer's best wins? Maybe Mann, Delaney, Simon, or throw in Galento. I'd put McCline's best wins of Briggs, Grant, and Whitaker as a better group of fighters.

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Lets look closer.

Grant and Whitaker would be forgotten names if they had the equivalent records in Buddy Baers era. Certainly Whitaker would not stand on the same level as Gallento, Savold, Simon or Mann.

Michael Grant would be known for is fight with Lewis but people would wonder why the hell Lewis fought him or how he came to be ranked. So it would be seen as a name win over a paper tiger.

The points I have made are held out by the respective ranking of both fighters in their respective times.
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BOGART · Jun 21, 2008

janitor said:

Same with most fighters resumes.

The point is that while Briggs has padded his legacy over many years Baer took a prety direct route to the topa and went for bust or nothing against Louis. Clearly a much higher percentage of his fights were against top 20 opponents than in Briggs case.

I guess the Briggs win would be on a parr with a win over Jimmy Braddock.

Lets look closer.

Grant and Whitaker would be forgotten names if they had the equivalent records in Buddy Baers era. Certainly Whitaker would not stand on the same level as Gallento, Savold, Simon or Mann.

Michael Grant would be known for is fight with Lewis but people would wonder why the hell Lewis fought him or how he came to be ranked. So it would be seen as a name win over a paper tiger.
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Baers resume may be better than Briggs, I'd have to look into that one, but yeah, Briggs has fought a lot of easy fights. Whitaker is on the same level as some of the guys you mentioned I always felt Whitaker was a bit of an underachiever.

Grant gets a bit of a bad rap. He never lived up to the hype but he wasn't a bad fighter at all. I've seen fighters from the past getting praised as being good contenders for their time and having done less than Grant.

Briggs may be one of the weaker lineal champs in the divisions history but he was a solid if flawed fighter. I'd put Grant and Briggs as some of the better contenders from when Baer fought while Whitaker would have been a run of the mill guy who hung around the top 10-15. Sometimes in it and sometimes just outside of it.
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janitor · Jun 21, 2008

BOGART said:

janitor said:

Baers resume may be better than Briggs, I'd have to look into that one,

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I am not saying that Baers resume was better than Briggs. Just that his credentials as a knockout artist are neater.

Whitaker is on the same level as some of the guys you mentioned I always felt Whitaker was a bit of an underachiever.

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The hardest part of comparing a fighter from yourown era to one from another is to step out of your own era into the other fighters.

If I am in Buddy Baers era looking forward to the present day Eddie Blunt might look like a big name and Whitakers credentials would be hard to apreciate/define.

Grant gets a bit of a bad rap. He never lived up to the hype but he wasn't a bad fighter at all. I've seen fighters from the past getting praised as being good contenders for their time and having done less than Grant.

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I happen to agree with this but it dosnt suport my argument so I will stay in Buddy Baers era looking forward.

How do I apreciate Michael Grants body of work?

He has a win over Andrew Golotta who is big name that always lost when he stepped up on paper.

Briggs may be one of the weaker lineal champs in the divisions history but he was a solid if flawed fighter. I'd put Grant and Briggs as some of the better contenders from when Baer fought
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Briggs would have got so shafted back then.

A dangerous black puncher who was flawed enough to drop decisions to some of the other murder row crew. A man who was feared but could be avoided without undue criticism.

He might have been one of the better contenders but he wouldnt have got far.
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BOGART · Jun 21, 2008

janitor said:

BOGART said:

I am not saying that Baers resume was better than Briggs. Just that his credentials as a knockout artist are neater.

The hardest part of comparing a fighter from yourown era to one from another is to step out of your own era into the other fighters.

If I am in Buddy Baers era looking forward to the present day Eddie Blunt might look like a big name and Whitakers credentials would be hard to apreciate/define.

I happen to agree with this but it dosnt suport my argument so I will stay in Buddy Baers era looking forward.

How do I apreciate Michael Grants body of work?

He has a win over Andrew Golotta who is big name that always lost when he stepped up on paper.

Briggs would have got so shafted back then.

A dangerous black puncher who was flawed enough to drop decisions to some of the other murder row crew. A man who was feared but could be avoided without undue criticism.

He might have been one of the better contenders but he wouldnt have got far.
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I can agree with most of this especially Briggs possibly getting shafted in the era Baer fought in.
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