James Braddock (of the Baer fight) Vs Tokyo Mike Tyson?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    For once, I agree with you. Much more is made of Tyson's condition in Tokyo than needs to be given the wreck he appeared as in the ring for some of his other fights. His "burning with gonorrhea" against Trevor Berbick comes to mind.
     
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  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Very true, staying out all hours of the night with Japanese street walkers does not sound like serious preparation for a title defense to me. A champion cannot take anyone opponent for granted, especially if you always have a target on your back.
     
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  3. heizenberg

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    Tyson even on that night against Douglas would be way to much for Braddock who I believe only weighed about 185-190 lbs when he beat Baer. Heavyweights evolved from that day and age you didn't get guys like Tyson and Douglas back in the late 30s.
     
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  4. Unforgiven

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    Exactly.
    I've been saying this for years.
    We have press reports of him skipping training camp for the Tucker fight. He was getting worked over in training by Mike Williams prior to the Berbick fight. He was always out chasing women and whatever else. Same as most young fighters probably. But he was always in great condition regardless. He was a good champion.
    It's only when he LOST that it all gets magnified.
     
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  5. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did you ever see Colin Jones Mark.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    Does make you wonder what would be if he had Berard's discipline, but that's true of very many fighters.

    But the idea that he was doing more damage with "Japanese maids" than he was doing with "American maids" in Vegas is ridiculous.
     
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  7. Unforgiven

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    True.
    But could Bernard Hopkins' have had that discipline if he had Tyson's huge fame at age 20 ?
    Hopkins growing up fast in adult prison at that age, getting wise. Tyson was a guy who was 'saved' from the boys' prison at 13 or 14 and few years later had the whole world at his feet but was not equipped to deal with it.
    Different characters, different people, different experiences too.
     
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  8. Unforgiven

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    ^ None of which has anything much to do with Douglas beating Tyson up, in my opinion.
    That was more about Douglas not giving a flying **** for Tyson's reputation and being a very good boxer in his own right fighting for the world heavyweight championship.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    Yeah, i think so too. It was an absolute perfect storm. Douglas had all the advantages you'd want to have over Tyson if you wanted to beat him in terms of size and punches you'd want him to have, he was absurdly focused for reasons he was not shy about sharing ("I wasn't worried about him because I had bigger problems") and there was a huge gap between what he had done and what he was capable of for psychological reasons ("up to that point Douglas had won every fight Don King wanted him to win and lost every fight Don King had wanted him to lose"). In the end, things were just perfectly arranged. That's unlucky for Mike, a little, if Lula Pearl had lived another three months, if he was slacking against a shorter man, or a man with an epic hook instead of an epic jab, if there was a normal gap between what he was capable of and what he had shown, so much, Tyson would have escaped. But probably something of this sort was in the mail for him. And Holyfield might have taken him straight up.
     
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    “I could easily have gone out there,” Douglas said, “and given a lackluster performance, or probably try once or twice and say, Aw, the hell with it…but that was the last thing I would allow to happen. Because my mother was such a very strong woman and I couldn’t go out like that. It was a really difficult time in my life. Boxing helped me make it through it, it took my mind off it, you know, my personal problems. So therefore [Tyson] was the least of my worries.”

    That was years after, of course. On the night when they asked him how he did it:

    “My mother. Mother. Mother. God bless her heart.”
     
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  11. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, and well, and if we are to talk about luck, it runs both ways.
    Tyson, as good as he was, had his fair share of luck before then. Tyson might not have been 100% against Douglas, and Douglas was a full 100% we hadn't seen before ..... but Tyson had his nights where he was 100% and improving and the guy in the other corner had all sorts of problems and bad form going in. Maybe they would never have beat him, maybe they would have, but they probably would have done a lot better.
    But that's boxing.
    Usually it all evens out over the long course anyway.
    Tyson is still greater than Douglas, for example, even though Douglas in my mind (and where I probably differ with your view) would probably always beat him with that game.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    You need to see more of Braddock.

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  13. Fergy

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    Tyson still mauls him and stops him.
     
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  14. escudo

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    Anything short of an ATG heavyweight is going to get murdered in about 90 seconds by that particular Tyson.
     
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