James DeGale giving Andre Ward a lesson in willingness to travel

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  1. Super Hans

    Super Hans The Super Oneā„¢ banned

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    Ward won't make a serious offer to either of them. It will be a Paul Smith rematch in 2018 next for son of a *****
     
  2. CzarChristoph

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    People love to spout this rhetoric that no one wants to fight Ward - every DeGale interview for the last 6 months he's called him out. Has Ward responded yet? No - he's too busy demanding Golovkin give him a 50% split... The guy is becoming a joke - fight someone decent, and your own size, not the Real Gone Kid and Edwin Rodriguez .
    People forget that he won his Gold medal at Light Heavyweight, so why on earth he should fight GGG is beyond me.
     
  3. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ward is a disgrace. Won't travel, Won't fight. Just runs his mouth. Typical American loudmouth.
     
  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The funny thing about this match up is it's between a pair of fighters Ward didn't just duck but actually ducked even though they agreed to go to his hometown/home country. Bute agreed to go to Jokeland, and DeGale at the very least agreed to go to the US but chances are he probably agreed to go to Jokeland too. The fact that he fought Dirrell in the US and jumped at the chance to fight Bute at the drop of a hat in his backyard too obviously lends a lot of credence to that.

    In both instances, just by virtue of the fight being staged in the US, the referees both would've been American, which is hugely advantageous for a dirty fighter like Ward. Even if he comes in with the intention of fighting clean and not holding on like a gay octopus, he always has the safety net of being able to switch to plan B: Dirty gay octopus/angry billy goat mode.

    I don't want to hear any of that Ward wanted Bute to prove himself or wanted the fight to become even bigger nonsense so don't even bother.

    And regarding the DeGale fight. There was an interview on Youtube with James DeGale's manager Ambrose Mendy titled something along the lines of 'james' DeGale's Manager's Message to Andre Ward and James Prince' where Mendy looked straight down the camera (as if speaking directly to Ward and Prince) and said they signed the contract to face Ward and Ward pulled out and that neither Ward or Prince could deny what he was saying was true. Ward and Prince's response? Crickets. Not even a peep out of them.

    Ward also flat-out ducked Adonis Stevenson even though yet again he would've had home advantage in the first fight (Adonis offered to go to Oakland) with the deck stacked in his favour.

    And let's not forget that Bute had zero problems going over to Froch's backyard Nottingham, taking HIS title on the road and also taking a pay cut to do it. This is something that Ward not only wouldn't do but actually refused to do even though he claimed he couldn't get any fights and he would've been rewarded handsomely for doing so.

    And DeGale is now doing something that Ward also refused to do too - going over to Bute's backyard and for his FIRST defence of his world title too.

    DeGale also fought Andre Dirrell over in the US, something that have gloves won't travel Ward also didn't do. You can say both parties were to blame for that but one of the sticking blocks that did arise for that when it was supposedly on the cards was Mr. I don't do concessions and always want the deck stacked heavily in my favour Ward yet again demanded one of his opponents had to go to his hometown/home state.

    Ward doesn't want to fight anyone in their hometown but he's more than happy to make them to come to his time and time again or his home state or country and have Californian and American officials appointed when they do so the deck is weighted even more heavily against them and in his favour.

    He's had home advantage for every single one of his fights against world class opposition, whether it be hometown, home state or home country and he's also had American referees for every single one of his 28 pro outings and Californian ones for 20 for his 21 fights in his home state too. The only reason why he didn't have them for all 21 of them is because Arthur Abraham's team threatened to pull out of the fight because the officials for the Super Six fights were supposed to come from neutral locations.

    Ward having American/Californian referees for all his fights is obviously massively advantageous considering how big a part of his game illegal tactics are. His style is reliant on excessive (illegal) holding as a defensive strategy and various other illegal tactics such as trying to slice his opponent's eyes up by coming in with his head and clocking them with ''accidental'' billy goat butts and sneaky elbows.

    He also ducks below waist level a lot and constantly ties up one of his opponent's arms and then clocks them them as they're trying to wriggle free.

    He also lunges in and grabs a hold of his opponent like an octopus a lot either just after he's fired off a sneaky shot so they can't catch him with a counter or just as he senses they're about to lead with one of their own.

    Excessive holding obviously greatly reduces the amount shots your opponent can catch you with and therefore increases your chances of not only winning but also of you not getting hurt, floored or knocked out and like I said having hometown, home state or home country referess all the time to let you get away with it is paramount.

    Ward fought

    Miranda in Oakland
    Kessler in Oakland
    Allan Green in Oakland
    Sakio Bika in Oakland
    Abraham in California (Ward's home state)
    Froch in Atlantic city (Ward's home country)
    Dawson in Oakland
    Rodriguez in California
    Paul Smith in Oakland

    As I said earlier, 21 of his 28 fights were fought in his home state.

    When he fought Miranda all the officials were from California.

    Kessler - referee and one judge from California

    Green - referee and one judge from California

    Bika - referee and two judges from California

    Abraham - referee American, one judge from California. And like I said the referee would've been from California for this fight too and maybe another judge had team Ward got their way and Sauerland not kicked up a big stink about them trying to breach the supposed Super Six rules and rig things even more heavily in Ward's favour again.

    Froch - referee American, one judge American. Apparently, according to one or two posters on here, Team Ward tried to get them to stage that fight in California. It was either that or they were trying wangle another Californian referee or more Californian or American judges for the fight (I can't remember exactly what it was now but team Ward were up to something)

    Dawson - two Californian judges

    Rodriguez - referee and all three judges from California

    Paul Smith - referee from California, all three judges from California too.

    The referee and all three judges have been from California for all his pre Super Six fights too, and as stated 21 of his 28 fights have been fought in his home state.
     
  5. DSG496

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    Fair and well researched point about the home advantage. I would state that bar a couple of point deductions for excessive holding here and there, Ward has comfortably beaten all before him, and don't think the outcome of the fights would have been to different if he travelled

    Would have liked to see how he would have done against a partisan crowd in England against froch with a referee taking points off him though.
     
  6. QuadrupleG

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    I doubt that Ward can make 168 comfortably enough to fight DeGale.

    ... and in no condition he will be comfortable to fight Kovalev. Those "talks" with Duva are just to get the HBO contract. He will find ways not to fight later.
     
  7. Serge

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    Thanks.

    Home advantage isn't just advantageous for the home fighter because of the home crowd rooting for them and against their opponent though. There are lots of other factors which also make it advantageous for them too.
     
  8. CzarChristoph

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    Awesome post Serge! Spot on with all your comments.
    To go off-topic slightly, I read today on Twitter than Guillermo Rigondeaux is to be stripped of his World Title belts due to inactivity? Well what about Andre Ward? When is the last time he defended his 168 title? Edwin Rodriguez in 2013? PATHETIC!
    Ward's last good win was against Froch - I don't really count the Dawson win as impressive - taking the lineal 175 champ down 7lbs to make Super Middle is a joke.
     
  9. CST80

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    Bravo Serge:clap: I've been meaning to do a thread on this subject as well, you should make a thread out of this yourself, its a great write up.
     
  10. chopper760

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    yanks are to scared to travel ward is boring couldnt even sell 2000 tickets in oakland :happy
     
  11. TinFoilHat

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    :rofl

    Thats one of the funniest things I heard all day. :lol:

    But to get back on subject, Andre Ward is a fraud. If any one else in the top 10 P4P had fought his competition that he fought over the past 3 years, people would throw fits. He needs to be active and willing to travel. People are basing his rating over what he did in the super six, which was very impressive, but he needs to do something in the present.
     
  12. big moose

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    Andre Ward = dirty genius. To me, he's a league above any other SMW. Only Kovalev is a potential risk, should he go up a weight. GGG is more to my taste but would be a manhandled midget in a horrible grind-fest if they met.

    On a skill alone alone basis, Ward is the most unbeatable-by-his-peers boxer there is. But, like PBF, his success owes a fair amount to borderline illegal tactics (wrestling, forearms, elbows etc), home advantage, and sympathetic judges. That said, I don't doubt he would have won every bout away.

    His problem is mental: an inflated idea of his worth. No-one cares about excellence in the absence of personality or excitement. A phrase preached to entrepreneurs is "sell benefits, not features"; the public don't care about technical excellence, they just want to know how their lives will be made more fun. Some might say losing a career to legal complications is a tragedy - listening to "Son of God" Ward, it seems like justice.
     
  13. Maxime

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    Degale has 3.5 millions reasons to take this fight against Bute. Lol
     
  14. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Andre Ward: arguably the most irritating boxer on the planet today. There's no point being talented if you're going to carry on the way he does.
     
  15. Enigmadanks

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    I don't know about the level of popularity Degale carries around back in the UK, but from what I've read he wasn't able to secure a big money fight with another opponent (for whatever reason) so he took this fight based on the monetary aspect of it, not to be a road warrior.

    In this modern era of boxing, once fighters become champions they usually tend to fight almost exclusively in their home area or in Vegas. They don't willingly go around to other people's backyards to fight them unless they're just not a big enough draw.

    Also, lets be real about Ward. He only fights in Oakland because he can't sell out an arena in Vegas. If he had the star power/popularity to do so, I can guarantee you he'd be fighting exclusively in Las Vegas. It's the culminating dream for any boxer to become a headline fixture in the boxing capital of the world. I really don't understand the vitriol for the guy, he comes off like a well-mannered person but for some reason he's really hated on this forum? It's a bit perplexing.

    Anyway, props to Degale for taking this fight on. If he wins this match, it could more than likely setup a match with Ward.