James Douglas. Where did it all go right?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    We all know that the Tyson Douglas upset was arguably the biggest in history.

    With most such upsets you can usualy backtrack a bit after the event, and point to some features about the challenger that suggest that we should have seen it coming after all. In hindsight of course.

    In the case of Douglas I really can't identify anything.

    His performences before the fight did not suggest him to be either particularly consistent or a fighter who coped with adversity prety well. Tyson was seemingly the more reliable quantity in these respects on top of the aparent quality gap.

    There were no particular indications that he was a master strategist who might come up with a Max Schmeling type masterplan.

    Not many people know this but Douglas had a chest infection the day before the fight.

    The only thing to suggest that this was even going to be a fight was the fact that Douglas had some natural talent that he had never really been able to capitalise on.

    We might be tempted to lay it all at the door of Mike Tyson and say that he simply brought himself down to Douglas's level. While this is partialy true, there is no doubt that Douglas had considerable self confidence going into the fight and turned up with every intention of taking home the title.

    So what went right?
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't think its all that complicated to be truthful... In one corner you had a guy who knew that this was the biggest moment of his career, and hence, sported the greatest performance of his life, while in the other, there was a man who would go out and give the very worst of his.....
     
  3. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    It was highly documented in the prefight vinettes that Douglas was inspired by not only the death of his mother but his managers pep talk three fights into his comeback from the Tucker fight that this was basically it. It was also documented that Tyson was not taking the challenge seriously with footage never shown before of Tyson getting dropped in sparring.
    Douglas didnt institute any type of master gameplan, he simply came to fight, stood his ground and took apart Tyson. Others had tried, implementing the same gameplan, only they were challenging a different fighter in my opinion.
    As much as people think Douglas became a great fighter that night, theres also the thought that he would have never gotten started against a better Tyson, so to answer your question, it all went right in the timing of the fight.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

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    I thought Douglas looked good coming into the fight in his McCall/Berbick, then he obviously raised it a notch

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    Douglas is/was a very good fighter, massively underrated imo, just Mike was seen as invinsable.
     
  5. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    J.B. Douglas had great tools and talent to box. BUT! He lacked heart and soul---for the most part.. When properly tuned, Buster Douglas was very good...:good

    The Buster Douglas who came to Japan in 1990 to fight Mike Tyson was in peak shape at 231 pounds and mentally focused as ever.... That Buster Douglas was the total package deal....:deal

    The Buster Douglas of February 1990 could hang in there with any former champion going back to 1887 in a time machine..... He'd be very lively and game for anyone......:yep

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    The Buster Douglas of October 1990 who was harpooned by Evan Fields in Vegas, was a ****ing 246 pound piece of blubbery **** who gave a rats ass about his fans.... That Buster Douglas came for his payday and limo ride off into the sunset........:roll::twisted:
     
  6. tommygun711

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    Lacked heart and soul? I think he showed heart by coming back up from that right uppercut!
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    What baffles me most is the extent to which Douglas got it together both mentaly and in terms of his training, given his previous and subsequent outings.

    On a side note, McCall is of the opinion that Douglas at his best would have beaten Lennox Lewis.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    I love the way Douglas fights Tyson his use of distance/angles and moving in and out of range to get his jab working is perfect. I certainly think he upped his game for Tyson, most fighters can up their game for a title shot, but he was always a fighter with massive potential.
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    If the only thing you knew about Douglas was from having watched that fight you would probably assume that he was the top heavyweight of that era.

    On a side note, it is one of my favourite fights of all time despite my old school leanings.
     
  10. lefthook31

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    Not to **** on Douglas game but if you watch even the first minute or so of that clip of his fight with Mcall, he continues to make that stupid mistake of leading with an uppercut.
    Holyfield took advantage of that quickly, and really it was a glaring flaw in Douglas' game.
     
  11. MRBILL

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    You see that I was kissing Douglas' ass hard in Japan........... That B.D. was a "One Night Stand." Yes, great for a brief moment in Feb. of '90......
    :think

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  12. MRBILL

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    Tyson, outta shape in Japan, was made-to-order for Buster Douglas....... Tyson's size, height and faded skills, made it all the easier for a primed B.D. to execute a perfect fight plan.......:deal

    YES! B.D. got careless when he tired a tad in round 8 and was nailed by the Tyson uppercut. Very true so.. But he got up at 9... Ballsy, but respectable....:yep

    The 10th round Douglas barrage that left Tyson down and on ***** street is classic footage.....:hey

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  13. mcvey

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    I don't think he lacked heart, more desire and focus.
    His Father was a warrior, Buster had the tools but not the temperament.
     
  14. tommygun711

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    Dude, regardless, he didn't really lack heart. Just, after the Tyson fight, he just wasn't the same fighter. He just didn't have the same dedication and determination to fight like he did against Tyson.
     
  15. MRBILL

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    Well, doing the "Carson and Letterman" shows, along with photos' for 'Fortune' magazine sure as hell didn't help Douglas' mental and physical dedication for Holy in Oct. 1990...

    Christ, Douglas grossed a cool 1.1 million for his upset win over Tyson in Japan, and was to gross 24 million for his defense against Holy in October of '90, but team Douglas wanted to shine on Don King, so team Douglas paid-off King 6 million bucks and settled as a free agent against Holy for a contracted 18 million smackers after the smoke was cleared.... Not bad...

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