James J Jeffries Feats of Athleticism

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  1. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    We've all heard famous stories of boxers doing incredible acts of fitness, whether it be Marciano's 15 mile peak roadwork, Jack Dempsey's 200 pullups in a day, or the Boston Strongboy, John L himself, lifting the front of a train. But today I want to focus on James J Jeffries


    My intrigue started with this article:

    http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jeffries.html

    While most of it was just a loveletter to the boilermaker himself (sometimes being mistaken, such as with his height, he was 6' flat), some things couldn't be ignored

    According to those in Jeffries training camp, Jeff, "a lover of hunting, once killed a large deer and carried it on his shoulders nine miles to camp without stopping to rest. Friends who accompanied him had difficulty keeping up with him on the jaunt home."

    "He was surprisingly fast and agile. He could run 100 yards in 11 seconds, and high jump 5 feet, 10 inches.”

    ^thats my 100yd dash time and even higher than my box jump, and I'm only 201lbs. The stamina to carry something 9 miles without rest is incredible to say the least.


    I'm sure it's common knowledge, that being Jeffries' famous 14 mile roadwork peak and his hours of jumprope and heavy bag hitting

    I couldn't find an official source for the 14 mile roadwork in my miniscule research, though I did find this tidbit:

    https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/...dwork&y=0&x=0&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1

    Jeffries doing 10 miles worth of roadwork whilst still training off the fat for his fight with Johnson, not only that, but he did sprinting work after.

    So 14 miles in his prime is not out of the question. Especially when there are reports of Marciano doing 15 and Battling Nelson doing 10 miles A DAY, both at a lower bodyweight.

    Further article research suggests that, while a workhorse, Jeffries had a good idea of deloading and progressive overload. He preferred to stop the intense stamina work right before the fight (the article also quotes Jeffries as hitting the bag for hours):

    https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/...dwork&y=0&x=0&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1


    Does anyone else have any feats of athleticism from Jeffries? And where does Jeffries rank in terms of athleticism of heavyweights? (Especially champions)
     
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  2. mcvey

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    His ducking ability is well documented.
    Seriously there is a lot of BS attached to Jeffries life, eg contracting pneumonia and curing himself by drinking a case of whiskey,lifting 400lb bales up into wagons single- handed,never striking an opponent with his full force for fear of killing him.etc
    He was a big man for his times and undoubtedly a strong and tough one, with a degree of athleticism belied by his size , but he was generally facing much smaller and older men, today he would be about the size of Adamek and its hard to predict how his," take a licking and keep on ticking" approach, would fare against men in their prime and significantly bigger than himself . Monte Cox is a hero worshipper of Jeffries and repeats a lot of unsubstantiated fairy tales.I wouldn't call him a reliable source myself. For example Jeffries did not lose "over a hundred pounds ,"to fight Johnson,more like 80lbs and he was down to weight nearly a year before the fight. Talk of his power is exaggerated too, imo he never duplicated the feats of punching Fitzsimmons did, koing both Sharkey twice and nearly killing Ruhlin ,Jeffries had,as Johnson stated ,"a solid wallop " but he was hitting on men in the main much smaller . I do credit Jeffries with having a top chin though.
     
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  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    I thought the hay bail story was about Willard.
     
  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Jeffries was actually shorter than the average heavyweight of his time lol. He was just built like a tree trunk

    Jeffries was about the same weight as the average heavyweight today, while being in much better condition (the average heavyweight nowadays is 6'3" 228lbs), Jeffries' best weight was 215 but he was known to go to 225+

    Sharkey, Choynski, Ruhlin and Peter Jackson were all prime. Sharkey was an athletic marvel himself, and Ruhlin was a big man. Bigger than the average heavyweight today


    This all doesn't mean anything to me though, as i think that once you get this big, the weight doesn't matter
     
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    If the 100 yard dash time isn't apocryphal (which of course it very well may be) that's even more impressive than it might sound. He'd have been running in leather shoes on either grass or a track of packed dirt with no starting blocks. (And presumably didn't train specifically for sprinting.)
    If -IF- that actually happened, holy ****...
     
  7. mcvey

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    Before him it was Jeffries, and you could probably find it attributed to Sullivan earlier, if you cared to dig deep enough!
     
  8. janitor

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    It is probably best to confine ourselves to what is supported by some sort of primary evidence here.

    The San Francisco Call reported that he lifted a 510 lb steer onto the back of a truck, the incident being witnessed by a number of journalists.

    It also reported that he trained by moving a 350 lb sand bag around, and there are surviving photographs of him doing this.

    He was obviously an exceptionally strong man, even for his size.

    He routinely ran 10-15 miles in training, thought this was not unusual for world class fighters of this period.
     
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    He was rock solid despite some loose skin from the weight loss at 226 (I've also heard 227) against Johnson:
    https://i3.wp.com/cdn.vox-cdn.com/t...e/3162077/johnson_v_jeffries_large_huge.0.jpg

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca8...sjih-3d58faca-0fbc-481d-8e18-9d91590ad41a.png
     
  10. mcvey

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    Sharkey was 5' 8" and usually around 185lbs he went 45 rds with Jeffries without being stopped.
    Choynski was 67lbs lighter and5 '10.5" He held Jeffries to a draw.
    Ruhlin was 6'2" and 199lbs He was retired in his corner.Is the average heavyweight 200lbs?
    Jackson was 37 alcoholic ,consumptive and had not fought in nearly6 years.

    Jeffries was 208lbs when he won the title.
    Jeffries weight in title defences was as follows;

    Sharkey215lbs
    Corbett 218lbs
    Ruhlin215lbs
    Fitzsimmons 219lbs
    Corbett 220lbs
    Munroe 219lbs
    Average weight 217lbs
    What would you say the average heavyweight scales today?
     
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  11. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    At 210-220lbs as a boxer? I'd be freaking out as well. Crazy stuff
     
  12. Seamus

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    This.

    And remember when quoting roadwork distances that these numbers often included walking. Still a good workout but not as impressive as some would suggest.
     
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    I didn't say Jeffries' average opponent, I said the average fighter of the day, which I took from Johnson's average opponent, which was 6'1" 196lbs

    The average heavyweight today, as I stated before, is 6'3" 228 lbs.

    Like I said, they were great fighters. Tom Sharkey was even more muscular that Jeffries himself. Choynski has legendary power.

    I think I confused Ruhlin and Dunkhorst WOOPS, though 6'2" 78" reach is big in it's own right
     
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    That's not all that impressive. It equates to over a 12 second 100 meters. And if you factor in the handtime to auto conversion we are talking about 12.2. Dozens of high school girls go faster every year in the US.

    And starting blocks would cause more harm than good to someone who didn't know how to use them.

    Sure, he was an athlete. But let's not paint him to be superhuman.
     
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  15. janitor

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    It should be noted that he seems to have dehydrated himself for some of his early weigh ins, in the misguided belief that this was beneficial.