James J Jeffries v.s John L Sullivan

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  1. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bareknuckles.

    Sullivan KO's Jeffries in the 24th round.

    Note: if this thread has already been made, my apologies.
     
  2. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I say Jeffries by 8th round ko. Not a lot of film to judge these guys with, so I'm going with the fact that Jefferies would get into the ring with black people.

    I'll give Sullivan to the 8th because he was rumored to be tough, and he has a list to prove it.
     
  3. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl
     
  4. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Damn. Laila is hot. How many women can make you say that in boxing trunks and an unrevealing t-shirt?
     
  5. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    By unrevealing, I mean low-cut.
     
  6. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Back to the "black people" comment. I am serious. Sullivan is still idolized by some people, and he was a racist *******. I know you are supposed to be able to find good qualities about everyone, and he probably had some. I just can't get over someone claiming to be capable of "licking anyone in the place" or whatever he said, and not be willing to fight everyone in the place.
     
  7. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well you have to understand that back in sullivan's prime, the african slaves were released 20-40 years ago, sullivan was born in 1859 and slavery was over way before he was born, so that's why some of those pioneer boxers were racist in their times. jeffries was racist a little bit, when he came back from his 6 year layoff he faced jack johnson who was the world heavyweight champion of the world, white people wanted him to loose the title because they didnt like a black man having the belt so they brought jeffries back at the age of 36 which is way past jeffries prime, he had to loose close to 80 pounds to get in shape like he was in during his prime, he was too wasted, didnt get enough time to train and spar, got TKO'D by johnson and lost, the funny thing is that when jeffries came back he said '' I'm going to prove that the white man is better than a NEGRO''.
     
  8. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Like I said, I look for the good in people. Jeffries was at least willing to try to prove he could beat someone different from him, even if he would get on my nerves for being racist too. Sullivan wouldn't do the same. Not even for a racist cause. He was too racist to prove a racist's way of feeling superior.
     
  9. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    sullivan wasn't racist, he was just scared to fight black fighters.
     
  10. cross_trainer

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    If it makes you feel any better, Sullivan did face prejudice himself as a son of two Irish immigrants. The Irish were looked upon as roughly the same as black people in the view of many English-descended Americans, and were treated accordingly. Sullivan did help, in his own peculiar way, to bring his own people closer to the mainstream.
     
  11. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    I'm not sure I'd give Jeffries much credit here. He came back only because he was pressured into it, and had Johnson not held the title in the first place, it wouldn't have been an issue. Tommy Burns is the guy who deserves a little credit.
     
  12. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i understand, but why did he decided to stay racist against blacks? when he knew that his people (The Irish) also faced prejudism?.
     
  13. mcvey

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    Jeffries would outlast Sullivan ,he is too durable for John L's right hand to stop him ,bigger and stonger, bare knuckles would suit him,he gets to Sullivan late for a stoppage win.
     
  14. garymcfall

    garymcfall Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i dont understand how you can really reach a conclusion on this fight, no one has seen john l sullivan fight.
     
  15. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Thank you garymcfall, I was making this point in another thread: Greb vs. Hagler.