James J. Jeffries vs. Brock Lesnar

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Jeffries was heavyweight champion when they used very small, MMA-size gloves. Vicious left hook, incredible at punching in the clinch. Also trained and did well against world Greco-Roman wrestling champion Ernest Roeber.

    He had marvelous athleticism, although not quite in Lesnar's league. 6 ft. high jump with pretty bad technique (not a 6 ft. vertical, mind you), and could run 100 yards in a little over ten seconds. His daily training routine against Fitzsimmons consisted of a 14 mile run, two hours of rope skipping, 12 rounds of sparring, 20 minutes of heavy bag work, medicine ball training, and wrestling.

    He was about 6'1" and 225 pounds at his best. There's some footage of him training and fighting posted below, including a sequence where he swings around a 190/200 lb. guy he's wrestling with.

    Who wins?

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  2. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Realistically Lesnar would be too large and powerful for him.
     
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  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    That's a strong possibility. On the other hand, when re-watching the Couture fight I'm struck by how a little more strength, better chin, and better boxing could have given Couture the edge he needed. Jeffries isn't the wrestler that Couture is/was, but he's younger, stronger, and still really good at standup grappling. Also better at "dirty" boxing, and certainly a far harder, more accurate puncher.
     
  4. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lesnar would certainly have to be careful; if it ends up in a clinch, Jefferies has the advantage, and after two or thee could end the fight. More likely I think Lesnar shoots a quick and low double leg, something Jefferies was not as adept at as upper body grappling. Once it's on the ground it's pretty much academic.

    I like the comparison, because Jefferies was very much the Lesnar of his day; he ran like a 10 second 100, huge jumps, all that. Shows a bit how the overall size of the top athletes in their day has increased.
     
  5. jrow

    jrow Active Member Full Member

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    i think lesnar takes him down lays on him and tires him out a bit then ground and pound his face into hamburger meat(like he did mir)lol
     
  6. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    aside: jeffries was 225 traiing like an endurance athlete; huge guy.
     
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    Mazallan ESB yes man Full Member

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  8. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Indeed, however I think the main problem with Jeffries would be his ianability to stop takedowns and it would only really take one and then Lesnar would be ontop of him and that would be that.

    If you gave Coture a better chin I would say he still has a shot at Lesnar.
     
  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Yes, I can see how Lesnar's shooting for the legs would give Jeff problems. He did have some experience with that sort of wrestling, but perhaps not enough.

    I will note, though, that Jeffries would have done at least as well against the Couture that Lesnar beat for the title as Brock did. Probably would have dominated Herring as well, leg kicks or not.
     
  10. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    I’d hold Brock as a favourite, but you can’t count Jeffries out here. Brock had a strong tendency to freeze and shell up when he got hit though he was able to endure some insane beatdowns like against Carwin. Jeffries trained with the best wrestlers of his day, and his strength is reputed by the fact that he would ragdoll a 350 pound sandbag as part of his strength training. I don’t know if the Farmer Burns style of wrestling will hold up against Brock’s style.

    It would be wise for Brock to avoid hand-to-hand combat altogether here, instead focusing on knees in the clinch and his ground game. He’s likely the more versatile grappler and submission artist.
     
  11. TMLT87

    TMLT87 Active Member Full Member

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    Jeffries loses not only to Brock but to all of the guys Brock beat too.
     
  12. TMLT87

    TMLT87 Active Member Full Member

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    I know i'm replying to a 15 year old post here, but LMFAO @ this.

    A boxer from the times of Jack The Ripper, would dominate a 6'4 250lb probably roided up high level fighter from 100 years in the future, in a sport he had no conception of because it didnt even exist until several decades after he died.

    Of all the ******ed takes boxing fans often have regarding MMA, this is up there as one of the worst.
     
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