James J Jeffries vs Herbie Hide

If you asked me who'd win between a 1890s football champions and a 1990s mid table team I'd pick the mid-table team. Same thing here, sports moved on to a different level

 

Physically speaking JJ was physically capable. I’m assuming he’d have to change his style today. Just as Johnson and Dempsey would have to. Otherwise I think they all compete just fine. Human evolution has not occurred in the last several hundred years. Better work out regiments, diets, and “supplements” have allowed people to be heavier and not lose speed or explosiveness.

 

If Jeffries could take Hide’s punches and he seemed to have a solid chin, then I think he’d wear Hide down and take him out.
Hide is incredibly overrated on here, he wasn’t durable, I think Jeffries would simply be too tough for him.

 

Given that a past his prime Corbett was in front after 22 rounds against Jeffries it would be foolish to write Hide off here.He is 6 2" 210/220 lbs and had excellent power and speed. He would be the best real heavyweight scalp on Jeffries record imo.He'd stop Ruhlin and Corbett imo, and could conceivably tko Jeffries too. The rules they fought under could decide this one.

 

Obviously thee is an element of interpretation where Jeffries is concerned, so this is just my best guess.

Jeffries seems to have been able to take a punch much better than Hide, and he seems to have been able to dish it out enough to put Hide to sleep.

Furthermore, there is circumstantial evidence that Jeffries was simply a level or two better than Hide.

He has that X factor that you see in dominant champions.

I would suggest that Jeffries be provisionally installed as the favorite.

 

Jeffries had never seen a modern schooled fighter like Hide.......I am convinced that Hides skin color would be a easy excuse not to fight him, on paper Hide would have looked like a giant, tall, big , fast and could really punch considered a monster a hundred plus years ago.

Tough beard or not, he will hit Jeffries with some nasty shots, Jeffries used his chin as a defense weapon and that does not bode to well for me....Jeffries aint wearing down Hide over 20 he will get hit flush after flush shot and gets stopped, straight out of a time machine

Next to Jack Johnson, Herbie Hide would be the best Heavy on the planet at that point of time, as far as skill and power is concerned......and I do not think he would be shidding bricks fighting Middle weights or other Longshoreman......there were no Bowes and VK around....

 

Hide KO4.

Hide far too dynamic, far too fast a starter for the attrition styled Jeffries who relied on his stamina and durability against midgets.

Hide is no midget.

 

Depend s a lot imo on when they fight, what Era and how. I don't see Hide taking out Jeffries early neither do I see Jeffries doing the same. If it's set in Jeffries Era, the fight s probably 30 plus rounds I should imagine, so they should have to pace them selfs.
Hide maybe gets a point s win, he's the more mobile guy, tbh the better fighter.
Jeffries is the more durable for Def, he's not getting kod early.
So either Hide wins a decision, or stops JJJ by busting up his face

Or Jeffries stops Herbie very late on, using the distance fight to his advantage.

 

No it hasn't but training, diet and sports science all have. As have drugs and supplements. Not to mention in this era you were lucky to eat meat once a weak. This was pre-factory farming so meat, milk were all more expensive and people went hungry and most people didn't reach their potential height because they didn't eat as well. That's why average of height has increased 2.5 inches on average. The more deprived you were you'd generally be shorter due to diet.

You also didn't have generations of boxers passing on their knowledge to the next generation. You didn't have fight footage to learn from past greats. The standard of boxing technique is very poor in all boxers from this era because of this. But they didn't know any better

The other factor is the talent pool of boxers. There simply wasn't as many boxers in this era because it wasn't seen as a good way to make a living and it was illegal in many states. When Jack Dempsey started making million dollar purses the talent pool increased dramatically, which meant the sport got far more competitive and evolved

Jim Jeffries is not a good boxer, most decent amateurs would beat him today.

 

I agree pre 1930s is usually terrible form. But physically speaking Jeffries was a man who was in excellent condition even by today’s standards. How many men could box 25 rounds today? His form/style would get him slaughtered imo. Jack Johnson as well. Dempsey could hang w most people but anyone with a decent uppercut would probably send his head into orbit today.

 

SMH. Corbett was 33, and his only people say that was his best effort. Who are you to say differently? Who was in front varies by paper, and you boy Pollack writes it was anyone fight after the 17th round.

In a 25 round fight, no prizes are given as to who was in front after 15 rounds.

Hide was a cruiser weight champion in the mid 2000's when the division limit was 190 pounds. Corbett's listed weight for the first Jeffries fight was 188.

 

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Depends on the pace of the 25 rounds tbh. If you're only throwing 10-15 punches a round, then it's easier. I can imagine boxers started off being much more cautious.

 

Hide won a version of the heavyweight title scaling
216 his weight for defences was then as follows
214, 223,218.214.3/4,219,220,221lbs when he
lost to Vitali he never scaled under198lbs for his future fights and was usually in the mid 200's
Corbett only once weighed as high as 188lbs which of course is why you chose it! He was178lbs when he won the title and for his subsequent fights was 184,178,184,183,188,189,183lbs,Hide was a good sized heavyweight with real speed and power.Corbett was big light heavy without power.
NB Pollack does NOT SAY THAT.

• The Durango Democrat reported the following:

"The finishing blow came suddenly and was a startling surprise. Corbett had been making a wonderful battle. His defense was absolutely perfect, and while he was lacking in strength, he had more than held his own and stood an excellent chance of winning the fight had it gone the limit. He had not been badly punished and had managed to mark his man severely. The winning punch was a short left to the jaw. Corbett dropped like weight and was clear out. Jeffries showed his ability to take punishment at any distance and hard. He was clearly outboxed and at times was made to look like a novice. The crowd, which numbered fully eight thousand, was with Corbett and his defeat fell upon a silent crowd. There were cheers for him when he revived and left the ring, and he was generally given more consideration than the victor. Corbett is still a factor in pugilistic fame. He has regained much of his old time form. The battle was clean and it is doubtful if there was a single infraction of the rules."


Hide won the vacant WBC cruiser title scaling
199 1/2lbs in his defences of that title he scaled
198.3/4lbs
199 1/2lbs
199 3/4lbs
199 3/4lbs
The limit was 200lbs so wrong yet again!