james j jeffries

This is probably a good comparison,but I still think Johnson could have ended it around the tenth,had he applied the pressure.

 

Hopkins was tougher than leather and didn't clinch as much.

Johnson was Ko'd by one punch, and quit in fights.

While I can see the defensive minded and calculating part, I don't see a comparison on durability or toughness.

 

Bigger gloves, often thumbless. Doesn't lend itself to that tactic.

 

Unforgiven,his remark should be considered with the following caveat.

The guy who made this remark has not fought competitively, he speaks from ignorance, his motive is not to add anything constructive ,or objective , to the thread .
But to polish Jim Jeffries' halo ever brightly.

We all have our favourite fighters, mine are Dempsey and Ali,but I see the faults in them, both as fighters ,and as men.


His is more than fan worship, it is adoration of a rather unhealthy kind, bordering on obsessive, and vaguely homo erotic.


Any Jeffries opponent will be given favourable kudos , ie Corbett and Fitz ,because in that way he beleives he elevates his idol further.

Sad, and a trifle disturbing in a grown man.

 

[PHP]McVey says: The most effective way of controlling a man's punches and also wearing him down in the mean while,[Im talking about the old times now], was to grip his biceps and squeeze them ,I never read that Jeffries did this,Johnson was a master at it ,but they fought entirely differently .[/PHP]

No you moron. I'm am disputing your statement that squeezing is the most effective way of controlling a man's punches and slowing him down.

Perhaps I should copy and paste your theory in the training forum for a laugh, or if you feel confident, why don't you do that.? We both know you won't.

DUH. Try Squeezing a boxer's biceps and your open to short uppercuts. Why am I telling this to a man with an alleged 137 IQ ????

 

I will lay this out for you one step at a time.
When the boxers fall into a clinch, the boxer desirous of wearing down his opponent ,negating his work, disrupting his rythmn, looking to take a breather,any one or more of these ,would grab his opponents biceps, thereby trapping his arms and rendering him unable to retaliate with a punch while so imprisoned.

There! thats fairly straight forward ,even a chimp like you should be able to grasp it.

PLEASE NOTE THE WORD BICEPS ,AS IN PLURAL, MEANING MORE THAN ONE, I E , BOTH BICEPS. atsch
WHEN BOTH HIS BICEPS ARE GRIPPED IT IS RATHER DIFFICULT FOR YOUR OPPONENT THROW ANY PUNCH LET ALONE AN UPPERCUT!
I would have thought this was self evident, but forgot you have learning difficulties.

Todays boxers tend to trap opponents arms/gloves under their own ,Hopkins is a past master at this.

Please do post this if you so wish,dont forget to add we are talking about fighters before the use of the modern gloves came into effect.
Something else that was self evident ,that you missed apparently , otherwise 'Unforgiven' would not have to have explained it to you.
WHILE YOU ARE POSTING YOUR TIPS IN THE TRAINING FORUM.
DONT FORGET TO ADD YOU OWN EXTENSIVE RING RECORD.:rofl
Now run along and gaze adoringly at some more photos of MR JEFFRIES :hi:

Johnson vs. James J. Jeffries - Archive Photo - 1910

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The size of the gloves back then permitted the tactic. Johnson has been reported to employ this very thing several times as part of his defensive repertoire, and I get the impression that it was a common occurrence in the day. Grabbing hold of the wrists inflicted less pain, but was also effective in stalling opponents after catching their incoming blows.

 

On the fight itself, I have to admit that it's never seriously crossed my mind until now because I've been dismissive of Jeffries chances in the past against a prime Sonny Liston. After thinking it through though, I feel that this could develop into a real bruiser.

Having the fight fought under the older rule-set is problematic; there really is a lack of information on both fighters (Liston particularly) to make an educated guess.

Under more modern rules, I still heavily favor Liston, but Jeffries could make it very frustrating for him. Again, making the adjustment is difficult and the margin for error might be enormous; there's only so much we can extrapolate from film of Jeffries.

 

Exactly! As Unforgiven pointed out to Mendoza, plus in the old days clinches and inside work were far more common.
You are quite correct in saying Johnson employed this tactic ,but of course it was wide spread at the time,as you rightly mentioned .

 

And interestingly enough, he appears to be squeezing his biceps in that picture. :think

 

Careful you will be labelled a moron .
Wonder why Jeffries isnt uppercutting Johnson there.:huh :rofl

 

I will have to look at some of the limited Jeffries footage again. But, i always thought that this type of infighting tactic within the clinch was something that Jeffries (in his prime) actually excelled at. I would have thought this would have been the type of tactic Jeffries was referring to when he said pre fight that he was going to bend johnson's arms behind his back?

Jeffries may not be able to uppercut, but johnson is leaving himself right open to the headbutt or bite there! Might be a bit dangerous against a modern skilled fighter like Tyson or Holyfield!