James Jeffries vs Deontay Wilder

But Wilder said the same thing about his power bailing him out!

Hard to find=/=impossible to find.

The fact you're admitting Jeff needed his inhumane toughness to succeed with his style does in fact point to a lack of skill.

 

Corbett was totally washed up and had experienced eye problems.I don't think this fight proved anything .
In fact I don't think it should have taken place.

All Jeffries did against the crude Sharkey was wait until he came in and counter him.Being so much bigger and taller ,he was pretty much guaranteed to come out ahead in a war of attrition.
Who wouldn't be able to outbox Sharkey?

 

The top contender for Jeffries title in 1900 was Fitz, he didn't get his title shot for 2years.

 

In their second fight Jeffries beat FItzsimmons by absorbing a frightening beating,Fitz hit him when and where he wanted,the tide turned when the 12 years older Fitz's hands were smashed so badly on Jeffries face he couldn't punch properly.
Great defence that!

 

What you always fail to mention, is that a younger less experienced version of Jeffries, out boxed Fitzsommons easily, taking very little punishment.

I doubt that Fitzsimmons got better between the two fights, so that leads us to a rather obvious conclusion.

Fitzsimmons was not hitting Jeffries in their second fight because his defense was nonexistent, he was hitting him because he had studied his style, and come back with a better plan.

If he did what he did last time, he would have got the same result as last time.

 

One doesn't necessarily imply the other.Whose the better boxer Corbett or Sharkey? Marciano or Walcott?

 

What you always fail to mention is Fitz hadn't fought for 2 years ,was drunk the night before, and seriously underestimated Jeffries.
If Jeffries had significantly improved his defence how come a 39 years old Fitz had no difficulty in penetrating it again, and again,and again?

 

That is not going to account for the difference between landing very little of anything on him, and "hitting him at will" to use your words, when he is two years older.

If Bernard Hopkins got drunk the night before a fight against an opponent with poor defense, he might perform bellow par, but he isn't going to struggle to hit them!

Presumably he found a flaw in Jeffries defense, or he would have done the same two years earlier.

Ergo Jeffries had a defense.

 

Put Widler in those slow cameras with grainy film and see how he looks. Arreola was washed up ( age 35 and used to losing ) by the time Wilder fought him, and took 8 rounds to beat him!

This is Wilder best win. Arreola, past his best. Or you can pick a 40 something Ortiz, who win his best matches on PED's'.

This thread remains comical. Who has Wilder beaten? Who? He doesn't belong in threads vs all time greats vs anyone who can hit.

 

Corbett:

"Jeffries was too big and too strong for me. I was in perfect condition. Science cuts no figure when you are against a man of Jeffries' bulk. He hit me in the body in the second round and it took all the fight out of me. I saw that I was losing my strength and I tried to give a people the run for their money. He had youth and strength in his favor and I was all in. For a couple of rounds it was nip and tuck, but he was too big and strong."

 

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