James Jeffries vs Deontay Wilder

38 back then is 60 today you say?. That's crazy talk.

36 then it 36 now. Yeah athletes have longer careers now thanks to surgery and PED's and easier rules.

Who has Ortiz beaten, and wasn't he busted on PED's? That would be yes and those who known him said he was over 40 when the first fight happened with Wilder. Ladies and Gentleman, that's Wilder's best win and almost lost that one.

More to the story, Wilder used the PED test to wait for Ortiz to age a bit. Might that have something to do with the result?

 

What's wrong with active rankings, they show Wilder didn't beat ANYONE good around today except a very old Ortiz. You can object all you wish, its 100% true. And they were not good when he fought them either!

Wlad is retired, but if you want his all time rankings he'll be much higher than Wilder will be when he retires.

Saying Wilder faced better competition than other active heavyweights is misleading, he should be 0-2 vs Fury. Outside of Fury, who crushed him the last outing, who has Wilder really faced? Exactly. You got it, and I showed you were then rank today. End of.

Now to contrast Joshua has beaten real competition. Guys like Ruiz jr, Whyte, and Povetkin are in Box Rec's top 10. Parker is #12. See a difference?

 

And as I told you the Ring MAgazine wasn't around while Jeffries was active. You must have missed that point. No need to make that mistake a 3rd time. J

Jeffries has beaten several hall of fame opponents. Wilder never will. If RIng Magazine was around while Jeffries was champion, he would have beaten several #1 and #2 top contenders.

If needed I can show you historian and fighter rankings of the time, you'll see plenty of Jeffries opponent at the top not for one year, but for the decade

You best off simply saying the timeline sucked because you think so. If you want to go over Wilder's career, that conversation is not going to read well for you.

 

I stopped reading when you immediately contradicted yourself, thus proving my point.

 

Ortiz is in the top 10, too. Wilder stopped him twice.

Fury is in the top 10, too. Rated #1, in fact. Higher than anyone Joshua has ever faced. And Wilder dropped him twice and has a draw with him. And he's fighting him again this year ... his third fight with the current #1.

See a difference ... between fighting the #1 guy THREE TIMES and winning a dull decision over Joseph Parker?

Do you also see a difference between fighting a guy who is the world champ who is 6'9" 270 and a guy who was 6 foot tall and 167 pounds more than 120 years ago?

You don't see how times change? Fighters change?

Apparently not. Everyone else, does. Wilder beats Jeffries. Move on.

 

Right. Ring didn't exist back then. Boxrec didn't exist back then. No ratings at all. Steroids didn't exist back then. Heavyweight champions who were 6'9' and 270 pounds didn't exist back then. Top heavyweight challengers who were 250 pounds didn't exist back then. (Just aging 167-pounders who hadn't fought in years, apparently.)

Lots of stuff didn't exist back then. Got that out of your system?

The people have spoken.

 

If a boxer takes PEDs, he is more difficult to defeat. You keep repeating "Ortiz was on Peds" as if that makes Wilder's win worse somehow.

 

I am going to assume that if there had been Ring Magazine rankings during Jeffries title reign, they would have had to rank somebody from 1-10.

Once you accept that, it is probably bad news for Wilder!

There would not typically be ten active fighters, who were better than somebody that Jeffries was defending his title against!

 

Well, since Ring tends to drop fighters from their ratings who don't fight for years, I wouldn't bet on it.

Fitz didn't fight for two years before BOTH Jeffries fights. Corbett was out for three years before their rematch.

I'm thinking, if a Ring Magazine existed, there would be some ratings issues there. Don't you?

Or was the division back then so AWFUL that a 172-pounder who hadn't fought in years was still considered the best available freaking heavyweight contender?

Enough already.

 

Wilder knocks Jeffries out easily, I love old timers but there aren't many guys before 1950 who could keep with boxers of today. Luis Ortiz, Ruiz, Whyte, Fury, they all would murder him. I think Jack Johnson is the only hw from that era that can keep up with the current era if he had access to their training methods.

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I agree. Johnson had an incredibly annoying style that many fighters would struggle with today if he had modern training and vitamins. His jab and grab maul tactics, stamina, defense, and inside game would be a "death by 1000 cuts" sort of thing.

 

Anyone that has ever done any amount of study of boxing and even more helpful, boxed themselves can easily see the difference in ability and competency. I dont think much of Wilder either. That tells you what I think of Jeff as a fighter on the level hes being put into.

He would be completely destroyed. Seriously.

 

Right. And when you have similar rankings in different areas or different organizations, you defer to watching them. That's where Jeff fails miserably.

He would be beaten by many light heavyweights of the last 70 years.

 

Seriously you guys who claim Jeff has a chance here have got to be the worst ever at picking fights haha

 

You literally have no evidence to suggest that this is true, apart from the fact that it sounds plausible to you personally.